Shon Faye thinks the words "girl", "woman" and "she" were "invented" in the 13th century

@BraveAndStunning

Sorry, I just meant that if Shon's definition of 'woman' is that it is a "shifting constellation..." etc blah blah, I just wondered what Shon's definition of 'man' might be.

(Probably still dosn't make sense!!)

Shon could have made the point about the cultural and historical limitations of gender stereotypical clothing with an image search for 'child jesus' . Many frocks, some of them pink

I have a friend who firmly believes in male brain/female brain.

When i pointed the above dress/pink fact to her, she explained that one of her sons likes pink as well as blue and this only serves to prove her point further.

She's a really intelligent woman too. Really intelligent.

Don't understand your question ItIs

Women's shifting fannies shooting out babies and blood from their uteruses all over fucking yer constellations, places and times Shon. And not by a penises in any context.

@BraveAndStunning

What about 'man'?

What Faye seems to think, is that women are nowhere near as intelligent as the information their quick google provides. There couldn’t be a woman out there better versed in the likes of languages, classical philology or linguistics. Faye’s word is final.

And there could certainly never be a woman with scientific skills and knowledge that could knock Faye’s into a cocked hat.

and on the cis crapoid...

The guy's intellect knows no beginning. 😂

And on Shon's philosophical musings..

Some people are a crisp butty short of a picnic

Shon could have made the point about the cultural and historical limitations of gender stereotypical clothing with an image search for 'child jesus' . Many frocks, some of them pink.

The Dream of the Rood is a poem written in English sometime between the 8th to 10th centuries. A quick look at it in the original and modern translation, and without knowing Anglo Saxon, shows that it uses the words ‘mother’ and ‘womankind’ (mōdor and wīfa cynn, I think)

Agree bio. I reckon we are not taught enough about how our bodies and hormones work. To think I had been menstruating for over 20 years before I realised how vaginal mucus tells you about fertility and is not a dirty inconvenience. Ovulation pain had been crippling me every month for over a decade but again I only realised recently what it was and how to get rid of it. I wish I'd been able to talk more frankly to more women about this shit growing up. I wish it had been taught in school.

Hi, I'm a 12th century wyfman and my pronouns are:
Ho, hir
My old man is: he/his
Or we could go thay (but I can't do a thorn) / hem

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Anglo-Saxon_society

Good old Wikipedia:

In Anglo-Saxon England, there were many laws related to marriage.[4] Some historians[which?] profess that the law that neither widow, nor maiden was forced to marry a man that she disliked as being a sign of equality; however, Aethelberht's law contradicts this in as much as a man is legally allowed to steal another man's wife as long as he pays him reparation.[1] Once married, a woman was to situate herself as the object of her husband's subjectivity, she was to become the object of his protection and the property, although she still remained the owner of her property.[3] The Church saw that married women had no authority and were to stand under the lordship of men. Therefore, under the church they were not able to teach, witness, take an oath, nor be a judge.[7] In marriage, a male often developed his sphere of influence through his wife.[3] Although women were seen as such under the church, there were laws that protected them in the public sphere when married. Divorce was rare, and the only documented ones were in times of adultery.[5] A woman that commits adultery by sleeping with a man that was not her husband while he was still alive was subject to give what she owned to her husband.[1] Æthelraed's 1008 code states that widows shall remain unmarried for 12 months after the death of her husband, at which point they have the freedom to choose.[1] This was likely the case to allow for the widows have time to think and not make any rash decisions which may have led to relationships or commitments.

Amazing they managed to have any marriage laws at all really, given that they couldn’t decide who fitted in to the class of those who owned property, and those who were property.

TBF, I've a good deal of sympathy for taking the piss out of someone being huffy about a gender-nonconforming boy on the basis of their 'traditional beliefs' - just it was poorly done.

Some people are a crisp butty short of a picnic.

Modern english word emerges at the start of when modern english started to develop shock.

Modern English (sometimes New English or NE as opposed to Middle English and Old English) is the form of the English language spoken since the Great Vowel Shift in England, which began in the late 14th century and was completed in roughly 1550.

The words probably WERE invented around that time. But it doesn't mean that there weren't alternatives for the same thing prior to that.

The language changed significantly in this era, with dropping letters from the alphabet to make 26 being a good example of the extent of the change. Spelling was unstable because of the high illiteracy rates and because printing hadn't been invented yet in Europe, so mass reproduction wasn't possible.

English has been relatively stable, particularly in the last 300 years, because of print become widespread and required the establishment of standards so everyone could understand - and because we stopped getting invaded!

Hilarious it needs more publicity so people can truly appreciate these towering intellects.

Apart from anything else, how did the Anglo-Saxon and medieval church know who to ordain as a priest, and who should live in a monastery and who a nunnery if they didn’t have words for man and woman?

Wimman or wifman seems to be Old English for woman. Then there is ides for virgin.

Just as bad a linguist as a biologist.

I don’t know anything about Anglo-Saxon, but I do know that there were words for ‘woman’ and ‘she’ in Ancient Greek and in Latin, as well as Brythonic and Old Welsh, all of which predate the 12th century.

Yes to this... and the Romans had a diminutive for penis, mentulla, which seems strangely appropriate here for reasons I can't quite put my finger on...

Yes, 'man' used to be neutral, woman was 'wifman' and 'man' was 'werman'. (Let's resist the temptation of 'transwomen are wermen', probably would be badly misinterpreted!)