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Shon Faye thinks the words "girl", "woman" and "she" were "invented" in the 13th century

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VickyEadie · 29/08/2018 19:09

www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/9ba1l5/this_tumblr_post_that_claims_words_like_girl_and/

And there were no languages other than English, presumably.

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Galvantula · 01/09/2018 06:37

Yes Brave it's Mother Tongue.

Another victim of my habit of getting excited and starting more than one book at a time. Blush I never did finish it but I think I will now.

boatyardblues · 01/09/2018 00:17

This thread is great reading. Star

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 31/08/2018 23:45

Vulvlari is inspired!

Can't believe there is no OE online translator (surely is a money spinner?). Anyway, it was (hush!) a wicked false policy and the baddies are a pernicious enemy.

I'm so excited! I love being revolutionary while resurrecting a dead language!

BraveAndStunning · 31/08/2018 22:46

Is the Bill Bryson one 'Mother Tongue'? Read it years ago and it def needs another read. But asking in case he has written another one....?

Bill Bryson is the best US import we ever made

HawkeyeInConfusion · 31/08/2018 21:09

Another vote for Vulvlari.

LangCleg · 31/08/2018 20:26

Another vote for Vulvari!

JellySlice · 31/08/2018 20:11

If you're interested in language, this is another lovely book:

Shon Faye thinks the words "girl", "woman" and "she" were "invented" in the 13th century
Anlaf · 31/08/2018 20:08

Vulvlari is the leading candidate then.

Any more suggestions?

FermatsTheorem · 31/08/2018 19:48

I like Vulvari - nice nod to the original Polari, and unmistakably about female genitals.

Anlaf · 31/08/2018 19:46

(You'll be able to spot the cisperanto speaker as shell be hauling a large mumsnet handbag to hold anglo-saxon-english dictionary, a whale bone writing tablet and runic stylus)

Anlaf · 31/08/2018 19:41
Grin

Anglo saxon is not (yet) in Google translate as I have been frantically googling Alice's post above so may be an excellent candidate for a feminist slang.

Call it "Vulvlari", maybe? Feme-nanto? Cisperanto?

Galvantula · 31/08/2018 14:51

You've all inspired me to get my copy of Bill Bryson's book out to read. I love languages and etymology. Smile

ErrolTheDragon · 31/08/2018 12:47

Eh? I definitely typed 'King James'. Confused

ErrolTheDragon · 31/08/2018 12:46

In the case of the 'traditional' Christians SF was attempting to lampoon, I'd guess their perfect source of language might be the King version of the bible, no earlier.

Igneococcus · 31/08/2018 10:58

Everyone knows that nothing counts until it's in English...

Oooh, if this is true than I must considerably younger than I am, at least by about 10-12 years.

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 31/08/2018 10:43

Fermats

I love it!

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 31/08/2018 10:42

Igneococcus

Of course, but that was in Hebrew and translated into Greek and Latin. Everyone knows that nothing counts until it's in English...

Nobody Found my genesis extract though and we have:
ƿa geseah ƿaet wif ƿaet ƿaet treow waes god to etann... and sealde hire were: he aet ƿa.
Definitely still blaming the wife!

I see my 18 year old self scribbled a note on Dream of the Rood - "colours not used on OE, but spectrum of light". Presumably, colour didn't exist either. Poor AS children not knowing their innate gender by pink preference.

LangCleg · 31/08/2018 10:42

I love this thread.

FermatsTheorem · 31/08/2018 10:40

Alice - I've thought for a while that women, and lesbians (of the vulva preferring variety) would have to develop a language of their own akin to Polari - maybe Anglo Saxon could be it.

Though it might have to be modified with other words - "cunt" for example is the Anglo Saxon word and is in such wide usage it's no use for discussing sexual preferences on the down-low. Perhaps we could use the proto-Germanic "kattuz".

So when online dating, indicate a preference by saying you like "eten triewe kattuz". Wink

JellySlice · 31/08/2018 10:40

Genesis not only uses distinct words for male and female, but also for man, woman, wife, husband, mother, father, son and daughter.

The earliest written documents of Genesis are the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are over 2000y old, and are likely to be copies of even older documents. They are written in the languages of that era, at least one of which has been in continuous use ever since, and has changed so little over the millennia that modern Hebrew speakers still use the same words for male, female, man, woman, wife, husband, mother, father, son and daughter.

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 31/08/2018 10:27
Grin

I can see a secret MN vocab primer developing so we can discuss this unrihtwis unraed without the intervention of any hearmscaƿas.

Igneococcus · 31/08/2018 10:07

Yes anlaf silly housewifes only interested in wībgiwāti and wībesskuoh
I love this, I'll be integrating lots of Old High German words into my speech. I'm framchamo (someone who is not living at home) from now on, not foreign.

Igneococcus · 31/08/2018 10:01

So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

Whoever wrote the Book of Genesis had words for male and female.

NobodyToVoteForNow · 31/08/2018 09:58

Erm. Who would early Christians have blamed for eating the 'fruit of knowledge' and corrupting humanity then? Some not-so-pretty-boy in crap makeup?

Anlaf · 31/08/2018 09:55

Grin Grin Igneo

Aye, Shon would have us as alheimskr húsfreyjur (completely foolish housewifes).

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