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Sunlight not welcomed - trans advocates afraid

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Charliethefeminist · 29/08/2018 13:33

We have to acknowledge that we have largely achieved our successes by flying under the radar”, (then) Transgender Law Center Director Masen Davis stated eighteen months ago, “It is a secret at Transgender Law Center and I’ll ‘come out’ today. We do a lot, really quietly. We have made some of our biggest gains: that nobody has noticed

That's a quote from 2013.

Well now that women are noticing and collating, they are so afraid of the exposure that they cannot bear to see their work listed and described. In many ways, this is a good sign: of how their confidence and status is so deeply fragile, and they know it.

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ToeToToe · 29/08/2018 18:47

Calling them "lady dicks"

Believe me, we don't want to.

saratustra · 29/08/2018 18:46

*generalise every trans opinions

Etc

Bloody hell.

saratustra · 29/08/2018 18:45

Everybody is entitled to their opinion but if after reading all these threads you can seriously say there is no hate on here, well, then I don't know what hate is.

"Them" and "us"
"Tra's "agenda""
A list of who is who in the tra world
Not accepting the suicide rate numbers
Calling them "lady dicks"
Using rape and abuse to illustrate the debate
"A man cannot be a woman. Period"
Using the stupid comments of a few dickheads to general

BraveAndStunning · 29/08/2018 18:39

I think they just didn't like some of the things that they say brought to the shiny naive eyes of the lurkers on MN

Like this

Sunlight not welcomed - trans advocates afraid
placemats · 29/08/2018 18:38

Oh I forgot the gin references.

Gin Gin Gin

feck and nonsense.

UndercoverGC · 29/08/2018 18:36

Back in the day, being listed on Redwatch (BNP hate site) was a badge of honour on the left.
They're scared of having public-domain records of political activity posted on Mumsnet?

haXXor · 29/08/2018 18:33

They called that thread doxxing.

I can't speak for other contributors, but I didn't say anything that wasn't public knowledge. If it's public knowledge that someone is trans, I cannot out them.

Doxxing is the publication of personal information without the information subject's consent. Collating lawfully published data is not doxxing.

GenderApostate · 29/08/2018 18:24

All deleted threads are carefully saved elsewhere. Elsewhere is safe from prying eyes and we aren’t censored.
Flowers to all you other elsewhere dwellers - you know who you are.

Maryzsnewaccount · 29/08/2018 18:16

That post made no sense whatsoever, sorry Grin

And had far too many surelys

Maryzsnewaccount · 29/08/2018 18:15

They called that thread doxxing. It seems that doxxing is referring to a person as being trans without specifically asking them if that mention, at this moment, is ok. Otherwise using the word is "outing" them every time, which is strange; are we now not only not allowed to refer to them by their birth sex, but not allowed to know they had a birth sex at all?

Either that or they didn't like seeing a list of what they have publicly said and done, which begs the question why? Surely they only said and did things, publicly, so that people would know. Surely they believe what they did/said was the right thing; otherwise surely they would publicly admit a mistake/change of mind etc etc.

placemats · 29/08/2018 18:13

Aye, poor, poor Rat.

Swigs wine, like the wino I am.

Drink!

placemats · 29/08/2018 18:09

It was a very strange twitter rant.

What not really shocked me was the anger and vitriol against women.

terryleather · 29/08/2018 18:08

That's quite the eye opener theOtherPam.

I had no idea there was such a thing as a searchable lobbying register so many thanks for that post.

placemats · 29/08/2018 18:07

Plus it's absolutely anatomically correct for a doctor that struggles with the concept of biological sex.

ToeToToe · 29/08/2018 18:03

What is very enlightening is how very spooked they all were about that thread.

placemats · 29/08/2018 18:03

ToetoToe

The look on the guilty, so guilty gingerbread's face says it all really.

haXXor · 29/08/2018 17:59

When I posted on the now-deleted "Meet the TRAs" thread, I spent about 90 minutes drafting that post offline and making sure that I was factually correct, had sources, wasn't quoting people out of context, and had acknowledged where I didn't have information (specifically where DC had co-proposed a GP conference motion but I wasn't sure what it was about, I actually said that I didn't know what the motion was about and didn't let people assume that it was a trans-related motion).

It really gets up my nose that TRAs will selectively misquote and outright lie. When one side of a debate relies on lies, that's a big red flag about their motives.

@MNHQ that thread was valuable because it codified all the people involved and let me start to join dots about how the trans lobby operates. All the information was public and if the people on the list had done nothing dodgy they would have no fear of public scrutiny as they are all public figures.

theOtherPamAyres · 29/08/2018 17:53

Scotland has a register to record lobbying activity.

You can search it.

www.lobbying.scot/SPS/LobbyingRegister/SearchLobbyingRegister

Hello Stonewall!

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 29/08/2018 17:52

Way too classy for gin round here 🍸🍹🍷🍷🍷🍷🍸🍩

ToeToToe · 29/08/2018 17:49

They are currently trying to justify giving blockers and hormones to kids. Ugh.

And that's why we speak out.

Datun · 29/08/2018 17:47

I'm pretty certain that the mumsnet strapline actually advertises gin on here.

Good job too.

I never post unless I'm well lashed.

FloralBunting · 29/08/2018 17:45

Some of us work nights...Grin

NameChangedAgain18 · 29/08/2018 17:43

After 5pm? I'm sure one of those women's pocket watches says 10am.

Well some of us are more responsible, and don’t drop our babies in the fire until we get home from work!

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 29/08/2018 17:42

hic

BraveAndStunning · 29/08/2018 17:41

They are currently trying to justify giving blockers and hormones to kids. Ugh.

I'm going back to work. Over and out

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