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Fetishism vs. pushing of boundaries Vs safety

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Bineverywhere · 29/08/2018 07:26

My personal feeling is that a large proportion of this is driven by sexual fetish and entitlement. C.f., widows/cotton ceiling etc. Being the very obvious - and highly repugnant ones.

What might've been called transvestism 20 years ago has gone mainstream and by being "nice" we're not screaming "save it for Saturday night clubbing! ". Boundaries of what we should accept sexually have been stomped on - I'm also wholly against the entire pornification movement and modern sexual expectations. Each to their own and all - but.. I think it used to be quite niche to find a soulmate equally into "advanced play".

I find it utterly terrifying that a sexual fetish is out there and we're being coerced into participating by way of threats.

I have gay friends who embrace drag - but don't claim to be women and certainly don't want to have sex with women.

I've tried myself in knots writing this... You know, in case it's "mean" to suggest a significant percentage of a subset are driven by sexual motive. Pretty sure that's a good definition of what it means to be a woman. Wink

Have I completely got the wrong end of the stick or is there a highly sexualised element to all of this? And... Because it is sexually driven - I believe these people ARE a greater sexual risk to women than others. I don't think transmen are a physical or sexual risk to biological males.

I've known a couple of transexuals over the years - all living as "Maureen the librarian" and not "Tallulah the 18 year old pole dancer".

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Movablefeast · 29/08/2018 08:15

Clearly the massive anger and demands of “No debate!” are because by challenging this behaviour and wanting to talk about it honestly, (particularly how certain men who embrace “identifying” as women are a danger to women and girls) the darker more anti-social aspects of some transwomen’s identities, which are wrapped up in pornography and an emphasis on sexual expression above all other aspects of women’s lives, are in danger of being exposed.

It is just the arrogance of constantly telling women what we must accept (domination) and it is behaviour that a substantial majority of women find uncomfortable to be around. We don’t want men who are acting out their version of womanhood (which mostly is centered on stereotypes) in women-only spaces. I just find the bullying and verbal bullying so outrageous. When do men get treated like this politically when trying to have a debate and to have their voice heard? Rushing to push through new law that directly affect women without our input is a massive RED FLAG.

It scares me how the very people most likely to protect women and girls, that is WOMEN are being silenced.

If everything is so ethical and wholesome why on earth can’t we have an open debate about it.

Why is a percentage of the population that is tiny (less than 1%) being given priority of a majority of the population who are women?

iamawoman · 29/08/2018 07:38

completely agree. I also feel the main drive for self id, is so that experts in the field cant call out that it is a sexual fetish and not gender dysphoria. thinking of the recent aimee challenor case, does this person really have gender dysphoria, or are they merely expressing what their father has been doing in private for some time ie dressing up as a girl in nappies. I mean surely any psychiatrist or gender expert, would think this is worth exploring before any 'gender dysphoria' diagnosis is made. From what i have read of the family law reports. How many more of these young males dressing as women in public have backgrounds which might explain why they want to perform woman and would benefit from therapy that addresses the isues rather than panders to gender identity politics / promoting its ok to parade a sexual fetish in public at the expense of actual girls and women.

Bineverywhere · 29/08/2018 07:27

Ugh. Paragraphs came out in the wrong order!

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