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WEP statement from Sophie Walker

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SturdyEarmuffs · 28/08/2018 20:24

She's tabled an emergency motion re the GRA debate at conference

WEP statement from Sophie Walker
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SturdyEarmuffs · 28/08/2018 21:34

The backlash will be interesting - Sophie herself may well be on the receiving end of a complaint or 90, and subject to investigation. I'm watching closely to see how it plays out - wonder if she's had a battle on her hands getting agreement on GC legal reps speaking at the conference to give balance to the debate, or even just realised how she's been stitched up by whoever proposed the 2 very-busy-but-not-too-busy-for-WEP-conference legal experts.

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HavingALittleBabyToolshed · 28/08/2018 21:33

Interesting.

I suppose, when the money from your core potential membership demographic starts drying up you have to start listening.

Beamur · 28/08/2018 21:32

I'd support WEP on this kind of manifesto.
If the party doesn't listen to and represent women, it should call itself something else.
Reasoned debate should not be feared or avoided.

Voice0fReason · 28/08/2018 21:27

Sceptical, but optimistic.
It is very telling that so many women are afraid to speak up. That's not what the WEP should be about.
I hope it does go ahead and I hope they create an environment that allows a decent discussion.

Ereshkigal · 28/08/2018 21:26

And I'm hoping that at least some of the media will cover that aspect of it.

YY.

Popchyk · 28/08/2018 21:25

"I note how she comments abut women being so frightened of speaking out. Given what happened to Heather Brunskill Evans - who let's not forget was raising concerns about the welfare of children - women have every reason to be scared of certain members of the WEP."

Yes, WEP itself absolutely has to acknowledge its own role in making women so frightened to speak out. They have definitely contributed to the hostile environment for women.

I think it is good news for us, not because of the WEP itself (which few of us care about by now), but because there will be an inevitable backlash from the TRAs to this.

And I'm hoping that at least some of the media will cover that aspect of it.

Biologifemini · 28/08/2018 21:24

She is totally gender critical but she is just being too nice to say.
If she gets some decent support she might admit it.

Ereshkigal · 28/08/2018 21:22

We desperately need a Party the foregrounds women's needs. Misogyny is out of control and there has to be some means of mounting a high-profile response to that.

WEP effectively stole that position in the political constellation, stole money, energy, organising power, publicity, acknowledgement and placed a travesty, a parody, and a machine for doubling down on women's political suppression in its place.

I.am.so.angry.

Again I fully agree. Great comments. I do think they've stolen the position and used it against women.

RedToothBrush · 28/08/2018 21:21

Interesting timing....

...isn't it?

PyeWackets · 28/08/2018 21:20

This is an improvement, and I am happy when I hear any politician recognise that females exist and deserve to retain their sex based rights and protections. This may be too little too late but at least she is talking about it. I'm holding onto my membership for a while to see how this goes down.

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea · 28/08/2018 21:18

I'm a member of WEP. Relatively new but joined before I was aware of the self ID issue.

I'm going to the conference with an open mind. This seems to be a positive move.

And yes, I think that WEP did get it wrong with HBE. But if we ditch support for every party every time the fuck up we'd have no one to vote for!

thecatfromjapan · 28/08/2018 21:09

I'm following the Challenor-Green Party issue and my head is fit to explode.

We desperately need a Party the foregrounds women's needs. Misogyny is out of control and there has to be some means of mounting a high-profile response to that.

WEP effectively stole that position in the political constellation, stole money, energy, organising power, publicity, acknowledgement and placed a travesty, a parody, and a machine for doubling down on women's political suppression in its place.

I.am.so.angry.

GenderApostate · 28/08/2018 21:09

Has ‘toni-michelle’ condemned Sophie yet on twitter ? 🙄

ToeToToe · 28/08/2018 21:02

V sceptical here I'm afraid.

Sophie just flip-flops around this all the time - I've seen her hint at this sort of thing in the past, only to then completely capitulate to the trans-activists, and double down on TWAW rhetoric.

After what happened to Heather, I'd be surprised that any woman will feel comfortable expressing anything that veers very far from the TWAW party line.

She's already getting shit for it on Twitter - so I'll believe WEP will put women's sex-based oppressions first when I see it.....

JennyHolzersGhost · 28/08/2018 21:02

“There go the people. I must follow them, for I am their leader.”

Ereshkigal · 28/08/2018 20:58

No worries I thought I'd missed some extra arseholery!

BraveAndStunning · 28/08/2018 20:54

Ah yes oops Ereshkigal, you're right. Was mixing up leading female politicians who shit all over women in favour of males.

Ereshkigal · 28/08/2018 20:48

I am glad they are getting the message that many women have concerns about trans ideology. Harder to gaslight us that everyone agrees that TWAW.

tiredandweary · 28/08/2018 20:47

About bloody time. Amazing how when 'this never happens' happens, some of the woke start waking up.

I note how she comments abut women being so frightened of speaking out. Given what happened to Heather Brunskill Evans - who let's not forget was raising concerns about the welfare of children - women have every reason to be scared of certain members of the WEP.

Ereshkigal · 28/08/2018 20:46

I totally agree with you thecat.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 28/08/2018 20:46

God how did we become so timid.

3rd-wave feminism: "hello please if we're really polite would you mind treating a small privileged number of us almost as if we're men Mr Patriarchy sir? We don't mean mothers or working class women obvs!"

Time to get back to the drawing board I think

SwearyG · 28/08/2018 20:46

Hmm. The statement talks about trans rights and needs before women’s rights and needs twice. I wonder whether that’s me reading too much into it, but it would have been nice to see the Womens Equality Party put Women first in their statement. I’m a bit sceptical as to whether she actually is gender critical or is trying to be everything to everyone.

Ereshkigal · 28/08/2018 20:45

This is 2018 and women are too scared to speak up at the Women's Equality Party conference. Let's have a think about that.

This. It is a brave move even though she's still trying to sit on the fence. I predict she will shortly be made aware that that isn't possible with TRAs.

IAmLurkacus · 28/08/2018 20:45

PP who said too little too late was right. WEP nailed their colours to the mast when they shat all over Heather. This will end with Sophie being ousted and the WEP being run by a man.

Cascade220 · 28/08/2018 20:40

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