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Stunning, brave translady is both stunning and brave

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CaitlynsCat · 28/08/2018 19:38

www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/decisions-led-dad-become-transgender-1944624

"As well as having made the huge decision to begin transgender treatment, Martin also decided that he would not hide any longer.

He would come out as a transgender woman - as Katie - in a way which was very publicly indeed.

Since then, he has been shouting his experiences from the rooftops via social media and local radio and – by and large – has received something of a hero’s welcome."

"Martin/Katie was not only heterosexual, he wanted a child.

He cut his hair, fell in love and the couple had a child together, who is the apple of his eye.

Then in May last year, Martin went to see a clairvoyant he had met at a business networking meeting.

“I went along for a reading because I’d never been to one and I was intrigued,” she says.

What she told him was that he needed to start a new way of being and said there was a part of him that had always been there but that he was not fully in integrity with."

"after that, my gender dysphoria increased dramatically – I was so desperate to identify myself I even Googled ‘what gender is Martin Neeves?’ ”

Desperate, confused and in turmoil, he joined a support group on social media and someone suggested he should see a specialist gender counsellor.

After four successful sessions, in which he says he "hit the ground running", he felt that he was "gender fluid" ("nature doesn’t do black and white, it presents a whole spectrum.")"

"Katie now says: “After counselling and working through therapy on how to identify your gender, I now know I am 70 percent female and 30 percent male.

"It was my fear stopping me from admitting I am actually a transgender woman.”

A second visit to the clairvoyant resulted in a four-hour clarification session using deep meditation and other methods as a way of encouraging and revealing inner truth, with all the answers coming from Martin."

"She looks wonderful and feels great. Her prescribed hormones have made her skin soft, and as a naturally slightly-built person, she has an enviable figure.

She counts herself lucky as many other transgender women are naturally of a heavy build.

Brave determination has paid off, she is happier and more relaxed than ever.

Katie’s name will not be considered for the long waiting list for the actual operation to make her into a woman sexually, until she has lived full-time for a woman as a year."

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Beany04 · 06/10/2018 10:28

1st I would just like to say...... if you read the whole article you will read that the NHS ISNT PAYING FOR ANY TREATMENT!!!
Yep that’s right Katie has and is paying for everything herself!!
It’s so easy to sit behind a computer screen and judge someone......
what katie has and is going through is brave and has took strength too!!!
She is also an ambassador for others going through transition and making a difference to people..... sometimes some can get depressed and worse take there own lives because most likely not helped by small minded comments like these....... I really hope none of your families need your support and understanding 1 day regarding the same subject as they will hit a brick wall!!!
But hey Katie will be there to help them!!!!

TinselAngel · 30/08/2018 11:35

"“We patched it over and managed 13 years together but it was always there, and we finally divorced," says Katie, who felt better because of admitting it to himself."

God it makes me feel ill, the lack of consideration given to the wife and children when these stories are told.

Ereshkigal · 30/08/2018 08:28

Even if someone did answer a question last year, do they honestly expect people to remember, or go looking for that old answer?

No. They don't. That's why they say it. To avoid answering.

I did actually once do it, after being on a thread where a statement was made and denied within the space of about four posts. Where a poster denied they were ever cruel to others. Did I get an answer to this direct challenge after being invited to do this? Hmmm.

Ereshkigal · 30/08/2018 08:19

mentalhealthintervention.org/fifty-shades-of-grey-rock/

Due to previous experience I've become good at spotting certain personality types wherever they appear. It's good advice for how to deal with them in the healthiest way for you personally.

No one is obliged to let people talk down to them and treat them like shit because they're having a hard time emotionally themselves. Other people's feelings are not something that can just be dismissed as irrelevant or less important. You don't get to decide that. This idea that some people's feelings are superior to others seems rather too common among people who hold certain beliefs.

Some people would do well to remember that.

AngryAttackKittens · 29/08/2018 21:50

Even if someone did answer a question last year, do they honestly expect people to remember, or go looking for that old answer?

OlennasWimple · 29/08/2018 21:45

Maybe Martin/Katie could just accept 70% of the award? Sure they can throw some crumbs to one of the old fashioned becunted type women in the East Midlands (maybe even one with a face!)

TheCountryGirl · 29/08/2018 20:17

It would certainly explain why 12th was fine about being slagged off....when it happened to Bespin you could tell it gave him pause for thought over his allegiance but with 12th there was nothing.

Happityhap · 29/08/2018 20:13

Sausage! Surely never!

SausageOnAFork · 29/08/2018 19:00

I wonder if 12th might actually be a TRA saying something like that just to then screenshot it and stick it on Twitter just to prove how dreadful we all are.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 29/08/2018 18:33

Rat has never answered anything ever. She just goes round and round and round on her treadmill squeaking, 'I answered this last year.' She didn't.

And now she's the poster girl for GCMN. You have to love the irony. I do, I love the irony Grin

MipMipMip · 29/08/2018 18:20

And how it was used.

Stunning, brave translady is both stunning and brave
MipMipMip · 29/08/2018 18:19

Seafret

Stunning, brave translady is both stunning and brave
Pigeonpost · 29/08/2018 17:42

70% female and 30% male?!? That's hilarious.

bitheby · 29/08/2018 17:32

Can I just say that this article is APPALLINGLY written and really offends me on that basis alone. I might post on the content another time but seems there's a bunfight going on and I'll let you all carry on.

TheWomaninTheSturdyPajamas · 29/08/2018 17:24

Lots of these "awards" are just marketing platforms and one pays to be entered for nominations. So not necessarily a case of "aww, shucks, an award for little ol me?

jellyfrizz · 29/08/2018 17:17

Has this particular trans woman done something specific to offend your feminist principles?

Yes, promoting the idea that male-bodied people can be women. That is not part of my feminist principles.

^^This. And the pushing of gender stereotypes and reinforcing the notion that men and women think differently. It is damaging to women and girls (and men and boys).

gendercritter · 29/08/2018 17:03

Baffled at how you've shoe-horned thatappeal to emotionsstory into the conversation to be honest.

That story is right at the heart of this entire conversation. It is relevent to every trans discussion. And appeal to emotions? Our safety, our comfort, our privacy don't matter, right? Pfft. Who cares?

UnderHerEye · 29/08/2018 17:01

But don’t you think it is interesting how what you said was taken out of context to make you look bad to suit the TRA agenda?

Genuinely interested what you think to that

Happityhap · 29/08/2018 17:00

Toodleoo, Rat.
So you only engage with social media during time when you are being paid supposedly to work?

Maryzsnewaccount · 29/08/2018 16:59

AS doesn't give me an answer that you've never given, unfortunately - as you very well know.

How predictable Hmm

RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 16:58

Home time - ta ra!

RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 16:56

Obviously if you can find a previous answer, I would love to see it but I'm not holding my breath

Advanced. Search.

You know how to use a keyboard, I'm not your slave. You press the tappy tappy bits with those pudgey pads at the end of your fingers.

Maryzsnewaccount · 29/08/2018 16:55

We've had this conversation many times Rat.

As you very well know, you have never answered except with "I've answered that before I can't be bothered again".

And iirc, your definitions so far have either been circular, used the word "identify" or excluded lots of women (the XX sort).

Obviously if you can find a previous answer, I would love to see it but I'm not holding my breath

RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 16:55

Wow Rat see how quickly you were sold down the river in order for the TRAs to score points against mumsnet ?

I don't know any TRAs. Never met one. If you're under the impression that this means something more to me than mild hilarity, this person none of them know on a social media platform I don't even use, you should probably have a think about whether or not the impetus you put on Twitter is proportionate...

RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 16:52

Do you have a definition of "woman" that includes me (XX but don't believe in gender and all tans people who believe they are women -but excludes all men.

Yes I do. Pretty sure you posted on the thread I posited it on. You disagreed with me. Obviously.

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