Green Party Gender Recognition Act survey

So, what happens to the answers, once you've finished the Greens or the Stonewall questionnaires?

The Greens one is just a Google forms, so they will have to C&P all of the answers across aftee editing and removing any GC answers . The Stonewall one links directly into the consultation so when you press submit it goes there.

Yeah its one thing giving guidelines and explaining the questions and stuff. Quite another giving either a copy and paste answer or actually having the form prefilled! As I said, surely if there are loads of identical replies, they will be discounted as spam?

Its very easy for transactivists to just send in hundreds and hundreds of these prefilled forms. And I expect thats what they are doing to make out that there is loads of support for selfID, when we know thats bollocks. Wasnt the figure something like 20%?

GBTIQ+ Greens will use the information your provide to complete the consultation and submit a response using the details you give.

Colour me sceptical, if your responses don't suit their agenda.

So, what happens to the answers, once you've finished the Greens or the Stonewall questionnaires?

Have they fixed them, so they go straight into the government consultation through some online wizardry, or do they go the Greens / Stonewall for processing first - e.g. does someone there then print them out and send them in, or manually fill out the Government survey.

Does anyone know?

Sorry, to be clear - the other orgs who have model answers have put them out as PDFs or guidance on their websites.

As far as I know, Stonewall is the only org other than the Greens where you can actually open a questionnaire and the answers are right there as you go through the form (Greens = filled in, inside the box; Stonewall = suggested text above the boxes)

aren't Stonewall doing much the same thing?

Stonewall are doing a questionnaire, where there is text above each box, with suggested answers. It's not actually inside the box though, you would at least need to copy and paste.

Other organisations have model answers also.

But no one, as far as I know, actually fills it out for you so all you need to do is click through it.

There’s a note at the foot of the screen: Published and promoted by Aimee Challenor. Don’t know if this refers to the actual responses though.

Has anyone got a screen shot of this? Looks like they've changed it:

@owlonabike did you take a screenshot by any chance?

I'm guessing it was here, where it now says This form was created inside Young Greens?

theOtherPamAyres

Fair enough - they popped up on my Facebook timeline about this yesterday and I have to say I didn't interrogate what they were saying all that closely.

Hi @Vickie

Green Party's system asks respondents to send the forms back to Green LBGTQWERTY. Stonewall asks respondents to go to the consultation website and fill in the form themselves.

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this - but aren't Stonewall doing much the same thing?

I know that's different from a political party doing it - but it's dodgy nonetheless.

If anyone has sent the survey back to the Green Party (ie Challoner or Green LBGTQWERT) you might consider raising concerns with the help of a template letter, available from the Information Commissioners Office

ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/raising-concerns/

I see that another MNetter has used the letter to raise concerns about Terfblocker. If there is no joy from the suspect organisation (Green Party) the ICO will review the case.

It has already been said earlier in the thread, but it's worth repeating.

If you want to respond to the GRA consultation, do it directly here:
consult.education.gov.uk/government-equalities-office/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act/

You have no guarantee that the Green Party will submit your answers without changing them if you go through them, plus there is the issue of them having your details.

Lots of useful info here: fairplayforwomen.com

I have asked my sister in law to fill this out and get back to me. She is a member of the green party, and is also transsexual, plus gender critical so will likely change all of the answers. I am curious to see if they actually send her response or not. I suspect they filter out anything thats not just spammy nonsense.

I would hope that if the government receive a lot of forms with exact same wording and such, that they will be discounted as spam. Pathetic, that this has been done, its a bit different explaining and such and helping people fill it in, but actually prefilling it and only wanting people to put their name and such? Ridiculous but not surprising.

Bump.

I was completely unaware of this. Very dodgy indeed.

Wow, I missed this thread. Good work.

I can't see how the Green Party's response to the consultation can have any credibility at all, given this approach: "I'll pre-draft your response, intercept all responses, curate them, forward on your behalf and then delete your original response".

That and the person in particular who is the architect of that process.

Unbelievable that this was ever sanctioned.

Actually also very, very concerning that said person has now had sight of names, contact details and gender critical views of respondents. That data is not in safe hands.

Is there a body in charge of consultations and their formatting/legalities?

Thanks, Pam. Yes. Ask that, too!

I'll be shooting off an email in the morning.

@Langcleg Hi there

There's another issue with the form - a very dodgy process.

All organisations direct people to the actual form and offer guidance on what to say. These Green forms go to a middleman.(sic)

That, in itself, is suspicious. The forms may be altered. Or duplicated. Or censored. Or not submitted. What guarantee is there that the middleman (ie the Green Party) is acting in good faith?

I would want those forms to be set aside for further investigation, along with questions addressed to the Green party. I would want the Green party to either stop the middleman process, or explain it.

And more, from TheOtherPamAyres

The question was: who to alert about the Green Party's pre-filled in submission forms?

In short, Hilary Spencer, director of the Government Equalities Office

GEO Twitter account "We are the UK Government Equalities Office (GEO), responsible for gender & LGBT equality."

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=twitter.com/WomenEqualities" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/WomenEqualities

Government Equalities Office
Sanctuary Buildings
16-20 Great Smith Street
London
SW1P 3BT

Email
[email protected]

Enquiries
0300 200 3343

Right. Pencils suggested that we email [email protected]

I also suggest anyone on Twitter directs an enquiry to all senior Greens and to the investigator Verita (@VeritaUK).

Ask:

Whether or not any completed "surveys" have already been submitted to the consultation?

Who wrote the suggested answers?

Whether or not it is appropriate to use a Challenor publication for this purpose in light of recent events?

I think s second round of contacting the people suggested in this thread - but highlighting how worrying it is that this automatic response form was created in the conditions that have been revealed by recent developments in the Green Party.

And definitely contact bothe the GRA Committee and the new Leaders of the Hreen Party.

Bumping this thread.

This is shocking.