Pro-Trans article "Women *Can* Have Penises" , Katherine Jenkins Nottingham University

The comments on this are now worth a read

Interesting that the esteemed professor hasn't tried to defend her position.

How about some new stickers:

"Adult human of the female sex do not have penises"

Then let's provide some spaces, only where necessary to secure privacy and safety, for "adult and young humans of the female sex".

Then wear what you want and do what you want outside of that.

This is an embodiment of the argument from authority isnt it? I am a philosophy prof. and I have decided transwomen are women, therefore it is so.

This is why some professions get God complexes.

I saw a news item online this morning about how a businessman had written to Farage (who is his MEP) to ask how Brexit would actuall benefit his business. He got a load of guff back telling him about "democracy" and to read philosophy - it even named some philosophers he 'should' read.

It looks like "philosophy" is now the go-to answer for people who find facts inconvenient.

This is the same level of intellectual rigour as Katiewhatever on Twitter announcing “you say women don’t have penises, well I’m a woman and I have a penis, so you’re wrong “

So much this

It does read a bit like an undergraduate essay designed to prove that black is white.

George Orwell, whose wisdom constantly comes to mind during this whole debate, once wrote: "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them."

This is the same level of intellectual rigour as Katiewhatever on Twitter announcing “you say women don’t have penises, well I’m a woman and I have a penis, so you’re wrong “

The comments are very heartening! Honestly, what a pile of drivel. Really concerning that she's a professor, whatever weird system Nottingham use for that.

Silentcrow

Excellent rebuttal there.

The comments are a much better read than the article (which is utter drivel)

I'm looking forward to the peer review...

Cracking takedown from @mrkhtake2 as ever:

mobile.twitter.com/mrkhtake2/status/1034521945201696768

I would love to buy that woman a drink or three, she is absolutely tireless.

Why the rush to avow that TWAW? What's in it for her?

Woke points. She has her pronouns on her Twitter page.

Plus there is a lot of pressure now on academics to produce work that has impact beyond academia, something which is often quite difficult if you’re in a philosophy department (and trans activism is, of course, of the moment). Personally, I think there are some academics who are best kept in the ivory tower, well away from the public, to minimise the damage they can do.

Fantastic comments @womensvoicesmatter - of course a MNer .

Have a . (Wasn't sure whether to even mention your name earlier, crazy eh).

Sigh

Why the rush to avow that TWAW? What's in it for her?

Ok I'm going to get philosophical:

Women are equally able to be dickheads as men. Therefore women CAN have penises.

Can I have a title and lecture on philosophy now please?

Her title is Dr. “Assistant Professor” is the job title equivalent to Lecturer Grade (lots of universities now use these American job title now - Senior Lecturers and Readers are “Associate Professors”).

That’s brilliant- thank you womensvoicesmatter. Will definitely report back. His emails have been positive, but I need to fix a date to meet him- have been putting it off until after the summer hols as want a chance to think properly about what to say, which isn’t easy with 3 smalls around all the time!

I’m a Grade 8 lecturer, need to get a job at Nottingham so I can call myself Prof! . Thankfully I teach a factual subject so none of this twaddly bollocks which has been spouted by “Prof” Jenkins.

Artesia yes please do! You're very welcome to use any of my posts / comments if it's useful. Please let us know how you get on?

Did you see Posie Parker's done a video with tips on talking to your MP?

Fine, have a female gender identity. It still doesn't make you a woman. It makes you a feminine or effeminate man. A man who is widening the bandwidth of what it means to be a man.

Unless, of course, you are female, in which case it doesn't matter what your gender identity is: you are a woman. Perhaps a masculine woman. But still a woman. Not a man.

frazzled1 and Ereshkigal that's my comment! (Of course it was by a MNer

Fantastic

Good comments!

womensvoicesmatter fantastic comments which sum up so many of the issues incredibly eloquently. Thank you! I am not normally an outspoken campaigner on any issue, but this has really got under my skin and I don’t feel it’s something I can ignore. My MP has agreed to meet to discuss his position on it, and I wondered if I could borrow some wording from your comments as a starting point for discussion?