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To ‘out’ or not to ‘out’ re GC position

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IAmSproutycus · 28/08/2018 08:38

Simply that. I’m at the point where I’m debating whether I’m more use staying publicly reasonably schtum (I’ve already tackled this a bit with my very large public sector employer and been roundly silenced at HR level) or whether it’s more use for me to talk out more openly, e.g on Twitter/push the issue at work. I am aware that there is the possibility (probability) that due to my job the TRAs might find me interesting to try to take down (that sounded really grandiose and knobby - I mean they might feel that they can argue I shouldn’t be in a position where I might ‘wrongly’ influence vulnerable people. I’m sure that in the grand scheme they may not give a turkey’s butthole about little old me and my opinions). Anyway, how can I/we be of most use? Yes, it’s feeling horribly risky, and I’m very aware that many people don’t have the emotional, mental, or physical resources to be able to speak out right now. I’m not sure that I do, either tbh. Sorry for the confused and rambly thoughts. In essence, do I go the route of supporting the inestimable stickerwoman etc (which I will continue to do) or do I
/(we?) add my name to the people who will speak openly about this. God, I’m beginning to sound a bit TRA meself (what about meme me meme me me me 😳😀)

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vicviking · 28/08/2018 09:20

Agree with ucantargue. Respectful and factual. We don't need to be silent. Esp outside of the workplace.

Ucantarguewistupid · 28/08/2018 09:16

I did lose a friend when I revealed my position but came to the conclusion she can't really have been my friend anyway.

I would be careful at work. But socially be open and respectful. If we allow fear to shut us up.... hey there next Germany.....

Needmoresleep · 28/08/2018 09:10

I would leave it for now, as the tide is turning and I reckon it will soon become more acceptable to voice gc concerns. With self-id there is an awful lot of devil in the detail, and this it starting to be recognised.

What may also emerge is how much money has been spent by large and public organisations on 'diversity' training often delivered by a small number of niche firms. Whether you are sceptical of the TRA position or not, it would be hard to argue against a level of financial vested interest. The AC affair will serve to highlight the way relatively young and inexperienced people like her, LM etc have been able to pick up paid work via the need for organisations to prove diversity credentials.

UpstartCrow · 28/08/2018 09:08

No, don't discuss this with your colleagues, not face to face, in an email, or on social media. We say this on every single thread; it can be construed as harassment or bullying.

If HR are making a mistake such as stopping Muslim women from using the toilet by making it mixed sex, tackle that. Get some support from ACAS. Frame it as a loss of the rights women are entitled to and focus on that.

IAmSproutycus · 28/08/2018 09:07

No one willing to put head above parapet 😔

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MaisyPops · 28/08/2018 08:56

Oh. That s bad that HR aren't considering other views.
The thing is I would imagine if it's an obvious issue then most people would see it quite quickly, once the information has been given. Do you have a couple of friends at work where you could discuss? (Dare I say it preferably one of them male as that seems to still have currency plus it shows that it's issues for both sexes).

IAmSproutycus · 28/08/2018 08:52

Maisypops I raised it directly related to a new policy. The information was entirely inaccurate.

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MaisyPops · 28/08/2018 08:48

I wouldn't push it at work personally.
Work is for work, not pushing agendas. But I would raise something at work if it was in response to a change or new policy etc.

I tend to find it's best mentioning stories or news articles as they crop up in conversation and let people decide themselves. Often any critically aware adult sees the emperor has no clothes on quite quickly. It's getting issues into the mainstream.

E.g. I was talking about the Last leg and Caitlyn Jenner was on. They were discussing the Eddie Redmaine film about a trans woman. Caitlyn openly said she has no issue with the part going to a non trans actor when lots of the community were raging. She said that she was actively advised by staff not to go public with that view because of the potential reaction. Then at a party she wanted to go and congratulate Eddie and was advised it was best for her to stay away from him because of the potential backlash.

It was really interesting and I'm sure that anyone who saw it (especially people new to the issues) would be wondering what sort of movement would have a go at a trans woman for supporting an actor playing a part?

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 28/08/2018 08:47

Am in the very same boat. Have been avoiding doing anything on Twitter/Facebook etc as too frightened. But did my very first consciousness raising over dinner last night with a load of blokes and they all got it and we had a good discussion. It was quite helpful to practice arguing it too.
But I cannot link it to my real life online presence - such a nightmare. Partly through work but mostly for my DC who are at stages in their lives where this would be a problem. Have been debating the need to create a new online ID, right down to changing my Facebook and Mumsnet name, to allow me to be more public.

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