should young girls go to prison for "false rape claims"

For someone to be convicted of making a false claim it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt that she did so.

The fact that women were found guilty of making false allegations that were later proven true puts the lie to your claim.

prh

A poster linked upthread to a few cases they felt were false accusations

None of them appeared to have gone as far as a court of law, but they had been reported as false by the media

I think thats what the poster is referring to by A lot of these "false claims" are going to be real claims that just failed to convince a jury/judge beyond all reasonable doubt

Or at least thats what I woukd be referring to

A lot of these "false claims" are going to be real claims that just failed to convince a jury/judge beyond all reasonable doubt

Absolutely not. For someone to be convicted of making a false claim it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt that she did so. Reasonable doubt about the guilt of the alleged rapist does not get anywhere near proving beyond reasonable doubt that the allegation was false.

The authorities are hesitant about prosecuting people for making false rape claims so such prosecutions are rare. That does not, of course, guarantee that everyone convicted is actually guilty. You can never completely eliminate the possibility of miscarriages of justice. But for someone to be convicted the prosecution must convince a jury that, beyond reasonable doubt, their allegation was false.

Ok mistress

So, your point? I didn't say anyone did

I am always impressed by the vast majority of men who claim to know someone or be someone who was falsely accused of rape and yet do not know a single girl or woman who was raped.
25% of women have been raped.
2% false rape accusations. Lower % than most crimes.

When I was young men claimed that if you were not beaten unconscious you were not raped. It was perfectly legal for men to force a woman to submit if he was married to her.
There were two subjects anti feminists always raised in the seventies. Can I punch you now that we are legal and false rape allegations.
Not much has changed.

It happens

Well yes, i dont think anyone has said it doesnt

I know very personally about a young man who was accused of rape...a friend of my daughter told her that she had been raped by a pupil at their school...my daughter told me because she was concerned and wanted to support her friend, of course I contacted the NSPCC for advice they contacted the Police/School/SS regarding the situation, in the end it turned out they had consensual sex but she wanted to take it further, he didn't and so she said he raped her. The young man was questioned etc the young lady was given counselling, she admitted later she had lied. She was upset with my daughter for telling me and what had happened afterwards. She stopped talking to my daughter from then on and the young man ended up leaving the school. It happens, I never would have believed it.

And I know 3 men who've raped someone and nothing has happened, and also scores of men who have been guilty of "lower level" weirdy shit.

Everyone has a different perspective.

In my town there was someone who said she had been raped and pretty much everyone immediately decided she was making it up on the basis that she'd been seen talking to a man earlier in the evening and hey maybe it was something to do with attention seeking.

I was a bit boggled to see it in action.

apologies gronky that was the now deleted dv thread

Thank you very much, I really, genuinely appreciate it. Sorry if my response was overly strong.

Dunno

Was just trying to work out why I was confused - turns out 1 thread gone and I managed to conflate them in my head.

Message just said suspicion OP not in good faith (surprise surprise)

nothing

Why did the dv thread get deleted

I wondered where it had gone...its a pain watching all the threads in case one goes

apologies gronky that was the now deleted dv thread

I blame the Patriarchy.

look I don't make up sick stories for mumsnet OK? Yes something like what you have said.

but...just so I understand, there's two girls from similar (but not identical ?) cultural backgrounds having sex with (presumably) two men (were these the same two young men you already mentioned and of similar cultural background) all together in one bed - as you do - and then afterwards the girls then decide to conspire together to make false allegations of rape against their erstwhile lovers, so that their fathers remain ignorant of their sex lives ?

OK.

well I can assure you I haven't.

of course you could.

yes , well, it was a 'four in a bed' situation if you really want to know. The two girls were friends and had similar cultural backgrounds.
Are you calling me a liar or a fantasist? you couldn't make it up tbh.

and I said 'know of' not 'know' did I not?

Ok - and they are the only two girls that you know of that have 'invented false rape claims' and in both case the reason was the same - they did so because they were terrified of their fathers. Is that what you're saying ?

Perjury carries a potential custodial tariff, and it should do.

It does not matter the false accusation is rape or libel (or any other criminal offence).

If it were not the case people could play the criminal system for their vendettas.

The standard of proof for perjury is the same as any other crime, beyond reasonable doubt. The fact that someone has been found innocent of tape does not lead to a perjury charge unless there is specific evidence of perjury. This is very rare.

..and I said 'know of' not 'know' did I not?