Andrew Gilligan Sunday Times Challenor Green Party

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/27/greens-rising-star-quits-deputy-leader-race-after-father-jailed-for?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Guardian link.

I definitely found a link to the animal cruelty conviction, specifically mentioning what the animals were....and it now seems to have gone. Is someone cleaning up the Challenor backstory?

Animal cruelty
www.thefreelibrary.com/In+the+courts-a0357547534
www.thefreelibrary.com/In+the+courts.-a0358278849

The green party statement is very very weird

On my PC the text looks two different colours

"Aimee Challenor has today stepped aside in the Green Party leadership elections, following the conviction of her father, David Challenor, for abhorrent sexual crimes involving a minor which include him committing some of the gravest human rights violations that face women and girls across the world "

With this part "which include him committing some of the gravest human rights violations that face women and girls across the world"
in a slightly different colour.
That line also doesn't fit at all with the rest of the statement. It's a really really weird thing to write.
Why are they bringing in all the other womena and girls in teh whole world who are being abused when they should be focussing on this one girl?
The "human rights violations" things is really odd, these are better described as CRIMES.
It's like someone has come along later and said oh let's just stick this bit in here shall we to draw attention to some other issues.
When this one issue is what they should be focussing on .

Does it read really oddly to anyone else?

What are they playing at?

The Guardian have finally reported this.

Link, please?

Look at that creep that tells women that have been raped and abused, that he supports their time to heal, but then they have to get over their fear of ‘lady dick’, because men can be lesbians too

Ah, Rapey Riley.

Living with a paedophile doesn't shape your outlook on life.

Is that a joke?

The Guardian have finally reported this.

The link has nothing to do with the horrific crime committed by the paedophile and rapist David Challenor.

It also will not give a 'psychological' insight into the family.

Paedophile's are notoriously canny about their activities, picking children who will not disclose though sometimes they get it wrong, as in this case.

Living with a paedophile doesn't shape your outlook on life.

However, Aimee Challenor has demonstrated, through many interviews and writings a distinct lack of care regarding safeguarding.

I saw that link too timelady, you didn’t imagine it.

The children were also missing a lot of school which is a form of neglect.

I definitely found a link to the animal cruelty conviction, specifically mentioning what the animals were....and it now seems to have gone. Is someone cleaning up the Challenor backstory?

Thanks, Calleachian. I actually managed to find it myself in the end, though I don't know why it's unacceptable to post a link to something that's in the public domain.

Just as a general point, the care proceedings stuff might help someone in identifying things that should not be identified.

Sorry that sounds really cryptic.

But I think it best if we don't reference that on here.

Don't want to inadvertently assist those people who do not have the safeguarding of children at heart.

Caill

There is no such thing as child pornography.

There is child sexual abuse images.

Your post was inappropriate and contributes nothing to the discussion.

Ooops - sorry for posting that link.

I've reported the post. In hindsight it was inappropriate.

Emotional abuse counts as child abuse. As does neglect. Their housing was described as being massively overcrowded and unsuitable but they refused to be rehoused.
Subjecting your children to unnecessary tests is hugely damaging on many levels

The false claims of inappropriate touching is a huge red flag

Their insistence that their child should continue gymnastics is also hugely troubling given the subsequent events.

I don’t think these things can be downplayed tbh

That link to the care proceedings report was reported and deleted on another thread, not that I agree with it but just letting you know.

with a man who possessed child pornography Sorry to be pedantic, but it’s child RAPE and ABUSE, not pornography. The children do not consent to being raped and abused for the perverts to watch on video. I know you mean rape and abuse, but it’s important to use the correct description and not the softer terms.

There is a reference to a false accusation of sexual abuse

It is in Family Law Week, Lettera.

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CaitlynsCat, yes, I understand that, but what I am pointing out is that this report does not suggest "neglect and abuse on a massive scale from birth.", it suggests that the mother had emotional difficulties that were negatively impacting on the children.

As you say, there was further action, and more may have come to light, but at that point in 2010, based on that report, there was no suggestion that the children were living with a man who possessed child pornography or who would go on to rape and torture a child.

And more over it seems that while SS were quite concerned about the Challenor family, David & Tina managed to keep the kids on side as part of a Challenor Vs the world battle, with the beastly SS keeping the kids apart.

One thing I am curious about is that the kids were taken into care (again) maybe 2013 and were perhaps not returned until they were aged out of the system and chose to return voluntarily, however the torture/rape attic was in place apparently continuously between the date of the offence (after the court report of 2010) and 2015.

Was it perhaps not that easy to get into the attic such that the rape/torture chamber was not found? Or did David Challenor explain it away?

One would assume the house had numerous visits from SS, not to mention numerous police rraids including around February 2013 when Aimee was facing cyber terror charges. It's hard to imagine they would not have searched the house in those circumstances? And when looking for animals that they were being cruel to and keeping illegally?

Or was it hidden in plain site and David Challenor just said 'oh that's just where the wife and I do our BDSM games'?

And let's be honest extreme sexual perversions SHOULD be a big fucking red flag not just from the point of view of three at risk children but also a wife with severe physical and mental health issues.

Cailleachian however the children were taken into care again after that 2010 ruling. And I doubt that was done lightly.

Cailleachian, do you have a link?

"Having read the lengthy court ruling linked earlier, it could not be more obvious that the Challenor children have suffered neglect and abuse on a massive scale from birth."

I've read the report in family law week from 2010 (if my timeline is correct hat would be a year before the crime he was convicted of, 3 years before the children were removed and 5 years before the victim disclosed). I would say that there is nothing in that report that suggests that they suffered neglect and abuse on a massive scale.

Reading that I see an overwhelmed mother in a tiny house, not coping very well with three growing children. She still overcoming previous losses - two children removed, a child death and miscarriage and is understandably paranoid about her childrens health. The mother was disbelieved by social services that a medical mistake had been made over X and Z did have genuine medical problems (although relatively minor), which they seemed dismissive of. The mother appears to recognise that she has been "overly vigilant"

The local authority withdrew their applications to take X and Y into care recognising that they had taken action that wasnt supported by evidence.

Nothing in that report suggests actual abuse, just a struggling mother not coping and looking for help from medical professionals. It clearly wasnt great, and impacting the children, but nothing in that report would suggest that the children were living with a man who would rape and torture a 10 year old.

And to be honest, if someone;s house is messy and unclean and they are pestering doctors unnecessarily, its a problem, and social services should be offering help with that.

But that is a million miles away from child pornography, torture and rape which was the real problem in the home at the point where the children were eventually removed.

That little girl, a teenager now, will have to risk facing cross-dressing men, who count as trans according to Stonewall, in every previously single-sex space she might go into, if self id becomes law.

Unfortunately the TRAs will argue that it’s not their fault that she has ‘issues’ and she needs to ‘get over it’. Look at that creep that tells women that have been raped and abused, that he supports their time to heal, but then they have to get over their fear of ‘lady dick’, because men can be lesbians too. 🤢 Those misogynistic bastards don’t care about women or girls and what they’ve suffered at the hands of men.