Andrew Gilligan Sunday Times Challenor Green Party

Does anyone know if this is also in the print edition of the Sunday Times? I'll be buying several copies if so.

AngryAttackKittens

Succinct, pithy and absolutely correct.

Ah silly me. Question answered. Thank you.

Gender critical women - Um, we think there may be a problem here.

Media/politicians - Don't be silly dear

GC women - No seriously, here are some examples

Wokebros - Shut up or we'll kerbstomp you, bitch!

GC women - Not sure how that's supposed to make you look more rational or convince anyone that you have the moral high ground and are totally safe to be around, but whatever. Anyway, again, here are some more examples of why we're concerned.

Website moderators all across the internet - (Delete comments, threaten to ban commenters)

The Times - Actually it seems like there may in fact be a problem here

Media/politicians/wokebros/website moderators - (Appear to have lost their ability to speak or type)

AAK

Let's not forget the corollary qualification: Stunning and Brave

Stuff that "never happens" happens with some frequency, doesn't it?

Indeed, ladybirds.

stickystuff

Ah yes, the cyberterrorism... how could we forget?

Because Aimee is trans, seems to be about the only qualification deemed necessary.

Beyond

Also, women were saying 'abusive men will take advantage of self-ID" and Jess Bradley was saying 'not they won't and shut the fuck up you bigotted transphobe' - while Jess knew that Jess was indecently exposing themself (their penis, although they are a 'woman') in public places.

Nope, no conflict of interest there

Slight digression, and at risk of being an old fart here so don't shoot me down with that please, but there used to be (ok a long time ago now) something of a convention that people would do other things, like maybe establish a career before going into politics. Then we had the rise of the career politician. There was lots of applause for Mhairi Black, the youngest MP but she has at least been to university and come out with a 1st. AC has clearly had a very dysfunctional childhood, poor school attendance being just one part of it. Has she had any further education since school? Or a job? Leave out all the other stuff but in what way is she qualified to be deputy leader of a political party?

Did you see the response from the BBC someone posted in the other thread...

Apparently it's just not newsworthy enough but we wouldn't understand their complex high level editorial decisions.

Can anyone point me to this? What did they say?

So, women were saying "abusive men will take advantage of self ID" and accounts such as terfblocker (Aimee) were saying "no they totes won't" - while Aimee knew Aimee's father was a cross dressing child rapist.

Nope, no conflict of interest there

Baloo, a character from Rudyard Kipling’s The Jungle Book, was a nickname used by Challenor’s father in his work as an assistant Scout leader and volunteer with children’s gymnastics.

When I read that my first thought was "So who was Mowgli?"

Vivcky

Yes there are. I have had the most surprising conversation recently with an acquaintance. He brought up the whole issue of self-ID (something I am reluctant to do until i know people really well - scared) and his awareness stemmed from reading the Times. They must be applauded for their willingness to engage with this issue and allow intelligent comments

On how many threads have we pointed out that the dissolution of safeguarding procedures lobbied for by extremist transactivism will allow easier abuser infiltration, regardless of the inner identity (trans or otherwise) of the infiltrating abuser?

THIS.

As others have pointed out, there are some very perceptive comments under the article.

I'm tempted to get "we tried to warn you" tattooed across my forehead at this point, honestly.

On how many threads have we pointed out that the dissolution of safeguarding procedures lobbied for by extremist transactivism will allow easier abuser infiltration, regardless of the inner identity (trans or otherwise) of the infiltrating abuser?

I got a strike (subsequently withdrawn but only after a fortnight's furious arguing) for suggesting such a thing.

And here we are.

How can the Green Party not hang its head in shame?

I am very surprised the BBC think this isn’t newsworthy. It reflects a major ethical dilemma.

I think it is totally unacceptable to publicly discuss personal abuse situations (or speculate about such) in relation to individuals who have not chosen to ‘come out’ about them. However, when people take up a public position relating to safeguarding it seems unavoidable.

I doubt any posters would argue that people who have grown up in abusive situations/have been in care should be denied the right to work in public office. Indeed it is not improbable that some would want to go on to campaign for better rights/improved safeguarding etc. This could be empowering and therapeutically productive.

What is concerning here is AC taking up a position where she can influence, being told repeatedly that her position presents safeguarding risks, and dismissing these concerns. Even if she disagreed with the concerns I would expect to see greater levels of empathy and support for those explicitly seeking to ensure positive safeguards. Her position seems to reflect one of empathising with abusers rather than victims.

We do not know if AC has had an abusive past. However, she has transitioned and we know that transitioning can occur as an unconscious strategy to escape the pain of an abusive past. She was also taken in to care for a spell and a convicted paedophile has also had life long easy access to her. It is this, combined with her flippant dismissal of safeguarding concerns raised, that makes me feel as though her background should not be overlooked. I think this is regrettable but necessary.

I have been involved in a number of serious case reviews and in every single one, instances of professionals failing to see obvious red flags due to their unpalatability has been a feature. It is for this reason that I think AC’s position needs to be reviewed.

In relation to her father, We REALLY need to ensure that AGP is recognised, that the GRC process screens for this, that the only people to get a GRC are those with GD, and that sex segregated provision adequately provides for trans people so women and girls do not have to share their provision with male bodied

Also, was Challenor on bail for 3 years? If the evidence in the attic was so compelling as it seems, why was he not on remand?

You'd be shocked how normal this is. My rapist was even bailed AFTER being found guilty (there was a month or so between the trial and the sentencing, and he was allowed out on bail the whole time. He even got a reduction in his sentence for the period already 'served' as he was tagged while on bail.)

I agree with what others have said on this thread.

Aimee obviously knew her father was charged with serious sexual offences, yet used him as her agent and did not disclose to the party. This shows serious lack of judgement, and the party should at least suspend her while it investigates and determines a course of action.

Aimee may well be the victim of an abusive, dysfunctional household, but is an adult now and their actions should be judged on that basis. Aimee was an adult when she chose to appoint hear father as agent, in full knowledge that he was awaiting trial for rape and torture.

Exactly Hackmum

Woman Oh OK. I didn't know that. Seems a long time, I'm sure other serious crimes eg some murders come a go quite quickly through the courts but perhaps those sorts of cases have more clear cut evidence and no doubt a case like this involves a lot of wider investigation. Perhaps there will be more to come. Or perhaps they really haven't identified any other victims.