Andrew Gilligan Sunday Times Challenor Green Party

The comments I read up to about 1130 were universally condemnatory of AC DC and the Greens but not offensive. Perhaps there was a pile on of some sort?

I’m just wondering where all the TRA defenders and handmaidens are? Why aren’t they on Mumsnet defending the rights of men who identify as women to invade female spaces and excusing Challenor Junior’s unprofessional actions after Challenor senior was charged with male violence towards, and brutal rape of, this poor young girl.

Where are you all? You were very silent of the threads regarding the penis flashing man who identifies as a woman, too.

I'd started copying the text of comments I found interesting, but then they'd gone. Here's one that I thought encapsulated the issue well - but with apologies to the poster, as I didn't copy their name...

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Normally I would be saying it's not fair to blame a child for the sins of the father, and I agree with a previous poster that someone brought up in this family deserves compassion.

We don't know anything about Aimee's childhood and I wouldn't speculate about whether someone had been abused or not.
People from abusive backgrounds should not be barred from public life, they have nothing to be ashamed of. Look at the two young men whose father murdered their mother and sisters: they have shown immense courage in speaking out about such violence by other men.

However, this case is different. Aimee was accused of bullying women before any of this was known, women have spoken out against his views and ideology as dangerous and he has done everything possible to shut them down and silence them.

The women speaking against him were warning about letting males into women only spaces because they fear for the safety of women and girls. Aimee has used the trans agenda to silence those voices of concern, and he has been advising government about the Gender Recognition Act. Women fear that changes to the act will allow predatory men into women's and girls' spaces, but their fears have been brushed aside by government, who have listened to people like Aimee and Jess Bradley. The consultation period ends in October so we're on a short timeframe here.

In the light of these facts, I think the information about his father's crimes has a relevance that it wouldn't have to another politician, who was campaigning on other issues. Again, I don't blame the child for the actions of the parent, but equally I don't think Aimee is a suitable person to advise about government policy where safeguarding issues are concerned.

The fact that his father was named as his agent is also relevant. It's difficult to believe that Aimee didn't know about the charges but he considered his father a suitable agent. Aimee has not stood down now, even after this has come to light, so presumably doesn't see an issue with his continued involvement in a discussion that includes safeguarding.

The lack of understanding that the Greens and Labour have shown in thrusting some young members into the spotlight, and victimising adult women in their parties who have sounded a note of caution, shows up the sexism that still exists in politics today, 100 years after we got the vote.

I don't wish any harm to Aimee, but I don't think they should be a candidate for any party at this stage in their life, and I don't think they should be advising government on issues that touch on women and girls' safety. It reflects badly on our politicians that they were able to do so and that women and transwomen putting an opposing view have been ignored, victimised and silenced.

Bloody hell, can’t believe all those comments have been deleted! Looks like we have to screenshot or achieve everything related to this!

It’s so sinister.

I know I keep saying it but why would any political party elect a 20 year old deputy leader (unless they're called the Undergraduate Party, in which case fair enough)?

I don't think there's much chance that AC would have been elected anyway, though I could be wrong. As long as someone gets enough nominations to stand (I presume this is how it works) it's a democratic process and the membership decides who is the successful candidate. I completely agree that AC should now stand down / be stood down (I presume that these conversations are happening somewhere) based on the likelihood that they have withheld information and made a bad decision about DC as electoral agent, but I think the Green Party would be on dodgy grounds to not allow someone to stand for election just because they are young (though all the Terfblocker stuff was already cause for concern this is a different issue than age).

Orchidinthesun I've been thinking the same thing. I even wonder, given the (openly available) report about why the children were taken into care, if the trans identity was dreamed up by DC as part of the Munchausens by proxy issue. I think AC's whole political campaign is DC from start to finish. Terrifying story.

I could see deleting specific comments that were deemed to be an issue, but all of them? That's not just a matter of "well that was a bit much".

There is something very disturbing going on here. Who's pulling the strings?

Yup - they all went one-by-one puff, puff, puff, whilst I was reading them (a very odd experience), and then the "deleted" placeholders vanished too.

All the comments have gone in the last 10 minutes. Did someone do screen shots? I am not interested in any nastiness but someone upthread mentioned an interesting poster.

They have been deleted. To be honest, there were some very nasty comments there. I can't believe that purveyors of the Sunday Times would think such things, so it may well have been taken over by 'activists' of some sort to scupper debate on the matter.

It certainly could be aak. The word you're thinking of though is "leet"

SaintEyning

No, the comments were deleted as I was reading them 7-8 minutes ago. There were at least 26 when I began.

It looks like all the comments on the Gilligan piece have been deleted. But I don’t subscribe so perhaps that’s why I can’t see them anymore.

sticky

The police breaking down the door once is unfortunate, but FOUR times suggests something sinister to hide.

One wonders then why AC was asked to speak at a police conference regarding 'transphobia'.

Can "cyberterrorism" not sometimes be less "demonstrated elite hacking skills" and more "made incredibly stupid threats to an organization with a lot of power that decided to teach that kid a lesson"?

Thanks, Orchid

(wonder if speculation that AC is innocent of a crime will be allowed to remain, or whether the PA of saying they aren't too bright will cause it to go poof..?)

Floats into the land of massive speculation here, but I wonder if the hacking was actually AC, or whether DC didn't want police examining his computers in forensic detail...? AC doesn't seem bright enough tbh.

I know I keep saying it but why would any political party elect a 20 year old deputy leader (unless they're called the Undergraduate Party, in which case fair enough)?

SORRY Stickystuff

I'd missed that AC specifically advised WM police.
Curiouser and curiouser.

Sickystuff Before all this what I knew about AC could have been written on a postage stamp but I had absorbed the fact that computers/IT are the number one talent, presumably learnt from father.

Yes it is Jarveau - I've seen screenshots of the pages

Yy aak

The more I read about this family, the more I am convinced that AC is a mere puppet with DC pulling the strings behind the scenes. I'm more and more horrified by the repeated failures of authorities and the GP to join the dots here.

And AC's only qualification for standing for deputy leader appears to be their trans identification. They have no qualifications, a very chequered school history and diagnosed mental health issues. And they're 20.

What on earth are the Green Party thinking?