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Andrew Gilligan Sunday Times Challenor Green Party

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WaddIelikeapenguin · 26/08/2018 02:36

"A young politician and transgender activist who is running for deputy leadership of the Green Party was fighting for her political life last night after it emerged that she had used her father as her election agent even though he faced charges of raping and torturing a 10-year-old girl."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rising-greens-star-aimee-challenor-will-not-quit-over-rapist-father-kngjwc8l5

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MrsWooster · 26/08/2018 12:44

All the ones I saw - about 25- were along the lines of the Green Party should / must have known- certainly A must have known, Aimee shouldn't be in an advisory position under the circs, etc.

IfIWasABirdIdFlyIn2ACeilingFan · 26/08/2018 12:42

full thread.

IfIWasABirdIdFlyIn2ACeilingFan · 26/08/2018 12:42

The article says that Aimee claims not to have known

Haven’t read the film thread so apologies if this has been mentioned.

In a publicly accessible FB page in mid-late 2015 Aimee discusses the police having visited to speak to her. (I won’t link to the page as it includes names and images of other family members.) I’m sure it will be claimed the police visited for an entirely separate issue. (What though??)

AngryAttackKittens · 26/08/2018 12:37

You'd think TRAs would be screaming about this, but like the Bradley case they all seem to have temporarily lost the ability to type. Funny that.

PositivelyPERF · 26/08/2018 12:30

I imagine it’s more to do with the risk of identifying the poor little girl or someone actually slandering Challenor junior. I can understand that they wouldn’t want to be sued.

Jarveau · 26/08/2018 12:30

Re backlash, I was thinking more from TRAs.

PositivelyPERF · 26/08/2018 12:27

Ihaventgottimeforthis since you appear to have read the comments, is there any chance you could tell us what nasty things were said? Feel free to message me, if you don’t want to post on here.

AngryAttackKittens · 26/08/2018 12:26

There was no backlash, though, comments were supportive of Gilligan's article.

Jarveau · 26/08/2018 12:25

hackmum that could be it. Someone will have been getting email pings when the first comments started coming through, though, so if it was mistakenly published with comments open then I'd have thought they'd shut them down much earlier. Whether it's a legal or editorial decision, someone's decided they don't want to handle a backlash to the story.

AngryAttackKittens · 26/08/2018 12:24

Or perhaps the comments were strongly worded but not actually "offensive" or "derogatory" at all.

StickyStuffRemover · 26/08/2018 12:24

I was surprised to see comments open. They aren’t usually for sex crime related articles due to the risk of someone identifying the victim. I think they may have been pulled for that tbh.

Iused2BanOptimist · 26/08/2018 12:23

That was an excellent comment Jarveau Glad you got it.

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 26/08/2018 12:23

AngryAttackKittens I see your point but it’s understandable why offensive & derogatory comments are removed, perhaps it’s just easier to erase comments as a whole rather than going through individually.

HawkeyeInConfusion · 26/08/2018 12:22

BBC say it isn't newsworthy? If they couldn't be bothered to write an article themselves, they could at least have linked to a local news site that was covering it (in their 'From Other Local News Sites' section). Or was 'very important puppy visiting Leamington train station' deemed more newsworthy?

AngryAttackKittens · 26/08/2018 12:22

Could be a cock-up I suppose. I mean, the Green party tweet said "All Rights Reversed" at the bottom, and I'm fairly certain they didn't intend to say that in public even if it may be what some individuals who can't be named were hoping for

PositivelyPERF · 26/08/2018 12:21

Sorry, young girl.

PositivelyPERF · 26/08/2018 12:20

I didn’t see any nasty comments towards Challenor junior, but plenty of angry, questioning ones. Frankly, I couldn’t give a flying fuck what nasty comments were made towards that cross dressing, AGP, violent male, Challenor senior who raped and tortured a young woman.

Jarveau · 26/08/2018 12:20

I didn't see any of the comments that are being described as nasty, but in any case, why not just delete those? Why all the reasonable, intelligent comments asking important questions? My word, it's looking very sinister.

Iused2BanOptimist · 26/08/2018 12:19

I'm sorry the comments have gone - as I said there were some excellent ones, the early ones that I saw being more raising awareness about general issues relating to risks associated with the GRA than anything specific to this case. I have been screen shotting more and more these days but didn't think of making a record of those comments. Sad

hackmum · 26/08/2018 12:18

I wonder if it is some legal thing and comments were opened by mistake.

hackmum · 26/08/2018 12:18

What a shame the comments have been deleted. The first 20 or so were all very well-written, arguing the case against self-ID and criticising the Green Party for not acting on this. I wonder why they've all gone? I didn't see the later comments.

Jarveau · 26/08/2018 12:17

pachyderm I think you have something there. We keep hearing from some organisations and activists that parents must go along with a child's trans identity without question. That is eerily similar to a situation where an adult with their own motives pushes on to a child the idea that they're in the wrong body and that they must use their special status in the public arena to change the world - build them up, inflate their ego, get them out there as a footsoldier.

AngryAttackKittens · 26/08/2018 12:17

Gosh, why would anyone be nasty about a convicted child rapist?

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 26/08/2018 12:15

I read plenty of nasty comments on there, relating to both Aimee and David.

silentcrow · 26/08/2018 12:15

Re geting the word out overseas - this story hasn't made it to r/gendercritical yet, which is odd as it's quite obvious some of the posters there keep an eye on this board and reference Mumsnet enough to be noticeable. I only lurk, don't have an account on Reddit - anyone feel up for sharing some links?