Spiked: trans vs free speech

No Noqont I have never met these people (huntley etc) and nor would I want to and from what I understand certain people such as Huntley are using this as an excuse for better conditions

With respect, you have no idea whether this is the case. You cannot say that he is not transgender simply because he has committed an awful crime. Being trans is not a badge of being a wonderful person, as you seem to think. There are lovely trans women and there are some not so lovely ones. Theorising about their personalities is unhelpful. The point is that they were all born males, they retain male bodies and, as such, they are very different in nature to natal women and it is inappropriate for the two to share intimate spaces.

feefleur women of all backgrounds should work with one another for support

I could not agree more wholeheartedly and will continue to work with women for the support of other women. I think the area I’m most active in at the moment is the erosion of women’s rights and safety to provide additional support for potentially vulnerable males.

You've never needed to be in a psychiatric hospital, or a domestic violence shelter. You have no idea about sex based trauma or healing.
You aren't Muslim and don't have to cover your hair in front of biological men. You don't have to think about going shopping whole keeping your hair covered, or needing a women only bathroom to check your scarf is still in place.

But you're happy to lecture women about not being 'inclusive' while you give away women's rights.

Upstart crow - Ooh er.........💗

You have no empathy for other women.

No Noqont I have never met these people (huntley etc) and nor would I want to and from what I understand certain people such as Huntley are using this as an excuse for better conditions
Note the words "I have ever met".
And no being trans is not a laugh for those that are.
Transwomen are a vulnerable oppressed minority and women of all backgrounds should work with one another for support.
Don't tar all with the same brush because of the few.
Not that i would expect to see any kind of empathy on this point from the posters on here!

Feefluer

If the majority of your trans friends agree that they shouldn't be in women's spaces, please can you urge them to stand up and be counted like we are doing and some of their brave friends like Rose of Dawn?

Because if they don't, the people they have speaking for them will destroy their reputations

Probably the most vulnerable sensitive wonderful people I have ever met.

Really? Every single one?. Have you met them all? How about Ian Huntley? Or Jess Bradley? Tara Wolf? To name just a few. Are they vulnerable sensitive wonderful people too? Really? Maybe you should do a little more research before showing yourself up.

If they agree that they should not be in women’s space and that they are different from biological women, that’s great. However, the TRAs do not agree with that, which is why the debate is taking place.

And the majority of transwomen would agree with that too!

Feefleur nobody said they don’t like trans people. If I say I don’t think a child should be in a pub, does that mean I hate children? It’s not about liking or disliking, it’s just about saying that women’s spaces need to be single sex.
Oh and way to patronise trans people by pretending they are a homogeneous group btw.
I will point out that spiked is pretty much for the alt-right so yes you will get some weirdos in the comments.

Probably the most vulnerable sensitive wonderful people I have ever met.

Thank you for the first laugh of the day, @FeeFleur.

Probably the most vulnerable sensitive wonderful people I have ever met.

You appear to have mistaken fetishising people for respecting them. Imagine replacing "trans" with "X racial group" here and consider how creepy that would sound.

Probably the most vulnerable sensitive wonderful people I have ever met

What even the ones who post pictures online purporting to be of incest?

Always a flood of creepy d00dz on the weekends.

Feefleur
Women would like men regardless of how they identify to stop killing and raping us please, if you do not mind too much.

Feefleur I hope you're trying to be funny/ironic, if not perhaps you need to read a bit more and you'll soon find yourself disillusioned, or not, if you've swallowed the koolaid

Feefleur there are women who depend on women only spaces and services, and we are about to lose them.
We've been threatened with violence over this.

Please? What is your issue with trans people?
Probably the most vulnerable sensitive wonderful people I have ever met.
So sad you have your dreadful issues.

Some of the comments are really weird about gay men and lesbians 😬

Yes. Good article, and good comments

What is Spiked?

There are no clothes on the Emperor seems to be the rallying cry now.

It's a crackingly good article. Well said, Julian.

There's a short, sharp reply to TWAW: "Prove it".