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Another man speaks out

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TriptychTwins · 24/08/2018 22:00

I don’t believe trans women are women, and I never have. I don’t believe it because it isn’t true.

If you are disturbed by this really existing state of affairs and want to blame someone, blame your God if you have one, blame evolution if it makes you feel better — blame reality itself (God knows I denounce reality regularly!) but don’t blame women who have the gall to say it.

I breathed an enormous sigh of relief after reading this. You can find the piece here.

medium.com/@connorskellymusic/what-happened-to-our-movement-a1239d7a11d5

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WineGummyBear · 25/08/2018 20:16

Connor if you are reading you have made my day!

Lovejoywasodd · 25/08/2018 19:59

I just came here to post this. Slowly the tide might be turning.

VickyEadie · 25/08/2018 16:22

I left the Humanists because of this - absolute fuckwittery.

placemats · 25/08/2018 16:19

It's a great article. I enjoyed reading it. He speaks the truth. It's heartening to see men who understand and get it join in and face the consequences. Well done that man!

I'm not on twitter but I hope Connor sees this.

I liked his lipstick too.

Popchyk · 25/08/2018 11:24

I thought it was probably the best article I've read about the whole transwomen are women thing.

Probably because he acknowledges his own initial cowardice and doesn't try to make himself out to be noble.

He keeps the article to things that he knows to be true and things that he feels in his own heart.

Honest and true.

I hope that a lot of people can relate to it.

FloralBunting · 25/08/2018 11:16

Blimey. It's both heartening to see the traction really beginning among men, and profoundly depressing that I know nothing useful will happen until their voices join in.

So yes, well done fellas. Entirely right that you speak up. But by heaven, the women that have taken flak, and even a beating before now, standing up to this shit are my role models forever.

OldCrone · 25/08/2018 09:39

Another man speaking out here
conatusnews.com/nazis-incoherence-identity-politics/

Destinysdaughter · 25/08/2018 08:48

I think that, amongst 'progressive' circles the male gay voices now speaking out about this will be seen to have more legitimacy than ours, since we are immediately shut down and dismissed as 'T*s'. This slur can't be used against men so maybe more pp will listen to what the arguments actually are?

Wonder what acronym will be used against gay men...?

hellandhairnets · 25/08/2018 08:08

Nice one, Connor & thanks. Very well put.

(Not sure re the "radical feminism" stuff though - it does tend to read as shorthand for "those nasty types of women none of us like" )

It's definitely sounding like a lot of doubts are being expressed privately by people on the left and from within the gay community. I've been seeing a trickle of these too, ever since Johnny spoke out. Am very much hoping that this is a sign the dam will burst soon.

Destinysdaughter · 25/08/2018 08:01

I saw that article on Twitter and came on here to post it as it’s so good. It’s v heartening to finally see men talk about it and to really get it!

And thanks Johnathan for sharing it on Twitter. 💜

vicviking · 25/08/2018 07:47

Great article from Connor. Thanks. I also thought the humanist one was quite shocking. It is amazing how far this reached. Hopefully more will wake from their slumber.

heresyandwitchcraft · 25/08/2018 01:34
Smile Thank you. It's good to hear. I fear that people may forget the contributions of these fearless women, who have been vilified and systematically persecuted for speaking the truth. I am so indebted to each and every one of these heroes of female rights and common sense. History often erases women. I want them remembered.
JonnyBest · 25/08/2018 00:39

I didn't know Connor before this evening. He saw something I'd written and wrote his own piece tonight. He sent it to me and I asked if I could share it on twitter - because he doesn't use Twitter or Facebook. (Sensible guy!). I hope to chat to him - he writes from the heart.

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At every opportunity I pay tribute to Julie Bindel who first talked with me about all of this, 11 years ago. She paid a price for her early commitment to this cause that no man (incl me) will ever fully comprehend. I don't forget that.

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TriptychTwins · 24/08/2018 23:43

Of all people to swallow that cultist crap and double-speak, the Humanists are the last people I thought would fall for it.

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JellySlice · 24/08/2018 23:40

Extraordinary that Humanists have swallowed a faith-based ideology!

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TriptychTwins · 24/08/2018 23:33

I'm also seeing them disappearing from my Twitter feed after being banned or suspended for speaking the truth.

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TriptychTwins · 24/08/2018 23:28

Totally heresy I have them to thank for waking me up to this.

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heresyandwitchcraft · 24/08/2018 23:24

Whatever happens, we need to remember our early feminist heroes who picked up on this first, and spoke out at exceedingly high personal cost.

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TriptychTwins · 24/08/2018 23:16

Exactly silentcrow

Men are being forced to address this now. Niemoller puts it best;

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Derwini123 · 24/08/2018 23:10

I don't believe trans women are women or trans men are men either. I also see it as very harmful to treat them as the sex they claim to be rather than the sex they really are. It's feeding into a fantasy of a mentally unstable person. The best thing to do is deny them their unscientific wishes and refer to them properly.

silentcrow · 24/08/2018 23:07

triptych support on twitter/medium looks alright for him at the moment (maybe just the timing, maybe the typical response to a straight man). Barely any dissent and a lot of "wtf are Humanists UK thinking?".

I'm not a member at the moment, but I certainly won't be rejoining if this is the level of critical thought we can expect from here on out.

IdahoJones · 24/08/2018 23:03

Penny Mordaunt is so fucked. First, Boris. Now, TWAW.

stillathing · 24/08/2018 23:01

Oh I really like this

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TriptychTwins · 24/08/2018 22:58

Good grief silentcrow

This has to hit critical mass soon surely.

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heresyandwitchcraft · 24/08/2018 22:48

Absolutely excellent writing. Thanks for sharing.
And thank you to Connor! Flowers

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