Let’s talk about how safeguarding is being disregarded

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LemonJello
I don't think they have a safeguarding policy - can't see any reference to it. But what they are doing is (incorrectly) training adults working with children in safeguarding issues - hence me citing the exercises. That's why so much of this has slipped under the radar - if they openly stated that safeguarding principles no longer applies to gender non conforming children all hell would break loose. So they don't openly say it - they just run around the country training adults / schools in precisely those principles. And it is only when you are experienced in safeguarding that you think, hold on, this can't be right.

The Cornwall guidelines make no mention of safeguarding but goes on and on about confidentiality - which as every teacher knows is very limited in terms of their responsibility to share information about children in a school with relevant pastoral / safeguarding staff.

LemonJello

This may help:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/729914/Working_Together_to_Safeguard_Children-2018.pdf

I agree with PPs.

The central question in this debate - one I did not have words for before Lisa M spelled it out.

-"trans" appears to confer a barrier to scrutiny and criticism of the person's behaviour, which means there is a higher threshold for raising concerns
-"trans" people's feelings are routinely prioritized over female safety
-children are indoctrinated in a ludicrous idea that implies they can change their sex, allowed to permanently alter their body, become lifelong patients on treatments we do not have any long-term data for, and this is being actively promoted. In fact, trans activism wants this process to have LESS medical oversight.
-erosion of social mechanisms that keep people safe
-removal of ability to use common sense, and even question things
-fear of genuine violence from bad actors who exploit trans activist ideology (lost count of the number of threats of violence against women if they question someone in their space)
-wholesale adoption of these ideas by the powerful institutions meant to keep us safe, minimizing the ability for victims to be believed or taken seriously
-erasing the past by not allowing "deadnaming," or "misgendering" which makes previous offending harder to track
-reporting restrictions in the media (how will we know how a perpetrator "identifies" if they look like a man in a dress)
-statistical impact, which means future analyses of safeguarding risks will be based on flawed data
-no ability to even point out that this is happening, because all of it will be hidden as "female crimes"

The worst part is that these trans activists have no qualifications, have a vested interest in eroding these safeguards, and do not give a shiny shit about the concerns being raised. But they are the ones being promoted/listened to. It is so fucked up.

Have to mention the dire Cornwall guidelines for schools. There is so much wrong with this document it's hard to know where to start but let's settle for this bit of parental alienation:

A parent or guardian may not always be the most supportive
or appropriate person to assist the young person through
transitioning. It may not be necessary for a parent or guardian
to provide permission for a Trans pupil or student to take
steps to transition as there may be issues raised of Fraser
competence if parents will not consent

This is implying to schools that they can remove parental rights / responsibilities without going through the courts - as every single agency in this country has to do before these can be removed. Breathtakingly dangerous.

They also define sex as: the way a person’s body appears, sometimes wrongly, to indicate their gender. It is the assigned determiner on a persons birth certificate

www.cornwall.gov.uk/community-and-living/equality-and-diversity/cornwall-schools-transgender-guidance/

YY tiredandweary- dreadful. But where is the safeguarding policy document I can cite to show the breach?

Safeguarding exists to protect the child or the vulnerable adult. But it also exists to protect the people working with children or vulnerable adults. Safeguarding also exists to prevent abuser infiltration of positions with access to children and vulnerable adults.

Extremist transactivist lobby groups push various strategies and tactics that undermine or negate safeguarding. Here are just a couple off the top of my head but there are many more:

Confidential disclosures - allow these and you give an infiltrating abuser the chance to keep a secret for a child. You can control a child with a secret that you know and abusers are always looking for ways to control potential victims.

Parental alienation - parents are - obviously - the bedrock of child protection. Creating a distance between parent and child or encouraging keeping secrets from parents is another way of divorcing children from protective influences in their lives and opens avenues for abusers to abuse without notice.

Multi-agency working - when working with children and vulnerable adults with issues, we involve multiple agencies not just because various agencies have different skills but also as a check and balance on abuser infiltration. If single agency working becomes the norm, that check and balance on abuser infiltration is destroyed.

LemonJello
GIRES - E learning course - Caring for Gender Nonconforming Young People : cs1.e-learningforhealthcare.org.uk/public/GEV/GEV_01_001/story_html5.html?lms=1

In Module 2 - an exercise about a primary school child Maisie (4 - 11 years) telling an adult that she's a boy. The adult ( a school nurse ) is told to affirm and call Maisie by her preferred name. That's it.
Next exercise Maisie is 13 - tells her favourite teacher she's miserable with her body changing and knows she's not a girl. The advice is that the teacher must reassure Maisie that she can speak to the teacher in confidence. The teacher must only share information if Maisie is "distressed or there is evidence of self harm". No understanding that the teacher is unlikely to be in a position to assess Maisie's levels of distress or self harm.

This is professionally dangerous advice -both for the safety and wellbeing of the child but also for any adult who believes this utter rubbish and follows it - laying themselves open to a charge of gross misconduct for failing to follow safeguarding procedures.

I remember when I was visiting schools and one school I visited alongside the prospectus they handed out a booklet explaining all the things they have to look out for. All the warning signs etc . Including what to look out for regarding students say risk of fgm.

That is something that is do sex specific it's in direct conflict with what these people are now being told to do.no one was ever hurt or killed or mutilated because of their identity.

As previous posters have said when the advice is to affirm and punish those who mis gender and refuse to use pronouns etc then who the hell is going to be asking themselves, what the hell is so bad about being a girl that they have no choice but to identify out of it.

We can't even post pictures of our own kids on Facebook if there's another kid in the background. But a 60 year old man can be given access to girls getting changed by putting on a dress and teaching pe.

Getting into schools is like breaking into a bank. Locks and speakers by doors and signing in and out and teachers bring the kid to you you can't go to them.

But I can be a sex offender and go in and tell staff and kids that you don't have to be a gay boy you can be a straight trans woman.

I have 2 daughters and I'm terrified for them. Because the t word seems to be a cover for every thing that in any other circumstances would have you calling the police.

This is a really important thread.

Can those who have safeguarding experience please look through your training materials or any documents you use online and find safeguarding directives that are being directly contravened?

At the moment there is much talk about how confidentiality should not be promised, for example, but for people who are writing to their MP’s, for example, it is vital to be able to cite concrete examples of where a safeguarding protocol is recommended, and then where it is is removed/ ignored.

Thank you.

For me (a teacher), this is ENTIRELY about safeguarding.

We have an INSET day on Safeguarding in a week's time and I will be bringing this up (I have already brought it up with Heads of Year).

Apart from the obvious, it also means you are being urged to ignore what is potentially a red flag (why is this child thinking about transitioning? Are there MH issues? Is there dysfunction/abuse in the home environment? - you won't be supported in thinking that, let alone saying it) AND it's an abuser's dream: wave the Trans wand and everyone is going to be running in circles of terrified wokeness and affirmation, in fear of being shamed/falling foul of guidelines.

Yes, this. The point of safeguarding should not be to tick safeguarding boxes, it should be to enable best practice to protect children - which means ongoing discussion is required and thinking through the implications of guidelines like the "affirm without question" demands of the TRA lobby.

Such a powerful video- thank you for sharing.

I work in education and have done recent training in CSE - all the trans-affirmative stuff in secondary school seems to completely run against this.

I also have a very GNC daughter- I constantly worry that she is so vulnerable to all the trans nonsense but so far her boundaries are strong. We do talk about it all the time and I really hope I am doing enough.

That video is so powerful, emotional and truthful.
Its what we've all being saying.

Bloody excellent thread.

I am training to become a childminder and recently attended safeguarding training.

During the first session it raised flags for me that this topic wasn't covered at all. I went to the second session ready to ask questions, but there was someone there who I believed to be a transwoman. I just didn't feel comfortable raising it in that situation - partly because I wanted to be sensitive and partly because I'm not as clued into this debate as others.

As a teacher the whole 'You must affirm & keep confidential' is terrifying.

Apart from the obvious, it also means you are being urged to ignore what is potentially a red flag (why is this child thinking about transitioning? Are there MH issues? Is there dysfunction/abuse in the home environment? - you won't be supported in thinking that, let alone saying it) AND it's an abuser's dream: wave the Trans wand and everyone is going to be running in circles of terrified wokeness and affirmation, in fear of being shamed/falling foul of guidelines.

There will be a scandal. And it won't be the Trans lobby, the organisations that pushed this, the political Parties who stamped the legislation that end up in the public stovks. It will be teachers, who were attempting to follow through an incredibly stupid and wrong directive.

And, of course, the children harmed in the process.

As a parent, I am concerned about the gaslighting coercion to ignore boundaries and what your own common sense tells you, pushed onto girls and women (and to a lesser extent, boys) at a legislative level.

That is an industrial-scale bit of safe-guarding erosion.

And I totally agree with what Lisa Muggeridge says in that video.

Wow Terf - that's powerful.

I've shared.

I can only apologise.

I have reported my last post.

Title: I will not pretend or ignore. From Saville, to Rotherham to Aimee Challoner

The instruction to teachers not to disclose information about a child who may be trans is one of the biggest red flags to me - it flies in the face of so many fundamentals of keeping children safe

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A very pertinent bump UpstartCrow

The Green Party scandal is demonstrating in real life what happens when those unsuitable to be around children are able to 'successfully' influence safeguarding and to remove long standing protections.

Bump.

This is one of the most dangerous issues facing children. These groups are gaslighting organisations in order to erode children's boundaries

Telling a child that if a man self IDs as a woman they must share changing rooms / undress etc alongside them. They have no right to say no as that's transphobic.
Trans organisations are unpicking safeguarding. Teachers apparently must affirm a 5 year old girl who says they're now a boy according to GIRES and Mermaids.
Teachers must keep all confidences about trans disclosures. Who cares if the child is suicidal, self harming or vulnerable? Trans organisations are only interested in pushing own views - forget vulnerable children if they get in the way of their ideology.
Medical experimentation on children. Way to go. Adults want to keep their genitals and self ID but let's make sure that every child is medicated and mutilated while they are young.

It shows how little care so many people have for children and young people that when it comes down to it, they allow the demands of these organisations to take precedence over the needs of children - every single bloody time.

am i misremembering this or did the nspcc ok the girl guides new mixed sex / same gender policy?