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Let’s talk about how safeguarding is being disregarded

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HavingALittleBabyToolshed · 23/08/2018 15:10

It seems like safeguarding is being thrown out the window in favour of gender ideology.
Many of us on this site work in social care, teaching, health care and similar professions where we are well versed in safeguarding principles. Many of us struggle to see such a core framework thrown out in favour of protecting feelings.

Perhaps we should go through point by point and provide evidence of how and why safeguarding principles, procedures and practices are being thwarted and broken down?

Safeguarding children
www.gov.uk/topic/schools-colleges-childrens-services/safeguarding-children

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Doobigetta · 28/08/2018 22:25

Interesting reading. I hope that is the kind of approach the courts would still take- things have changed even in the last couple of years, it seems.

Beachcomber · 28/08/2018 21:44

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tiredandweary · 28/08/2018 21:03

The judge evidently had a view that unthinking adherence to the "trans ideology" was a major factor in this child being emotionally abused with social services et al failing to protect him.

JudithButlerNot · 28/08/2018 20:00

That was originally a private case and the first report was written by someone newly qualified, as often happens in private law cases.
At some stage the threshold was met for public law proceedings. I don't know if the trans aspect was part of the threshold.

tiredandweary · 28/08/2018 19:49

Doobigetta

Safeguarding guidelines always take precedence - always. That's why it's so shocking that trans lobby groups are trying to overturn this.
No school should ever allow an individual teacher to keep this type of confidence. The teacher should share the information with the safeguarding lead (in line with the school's safeguarding policy). Then a decision would be made about how to manage the information and talking with the child / parents. It may not be that teacher's responsibility to follow it up.

However, if trans activists have their way, no one should question a child about their decision and schools should keep secrets about children from their parents so you are right to be concerned.

This is worth reading - it's a court judgement that lays out the dangers to children when trans ideologies take over from basic safeguarding knowledge. This primary child had an (evidently ill) mother who was determined that her son was in fact a girl Some professionals listened only to her and to Mermaids who got involved. As a result, this child was subject to emotional abuse for years until the case finally ended up in court and he was removed from her care and returned to his father. The judge is so critical of social workers who swallowed the trans line and as a result failed to protect the child.

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html

LadybirdsAreBirds · 28/08/2018 19:18

Yes. As a childcare professional, you'd want to be able to ask the question why has this child started identifying as the opposite sex?

VickyEadie · 28/08/2018 19:16

Doobigetta

Exactly so. A scenario which has the potential to happen.

Doobigetta · 28/08/2018 19:15

Can I ask a question please? I don’t work in a field that gives me any experience of this stuff, so I’m not sure if I’m being slow on the uptake or putting 2 and 2 together and making 5.

Father A is a nasty, manipulative bastard, who grooms Child B, including telling him that they are really girls and it’s their secret and Mummy mustn’t find out about their special girl games.
Child B is too scared to tell his mother, but at school he gets very upset and asks to be called Barbie instead of Ben because he is really a girl.
Teacher C is legally prevented from asking Child B any questions about why he feels that way, or discussing any concerns with Mother D.
Mother is completely powerless to do anything because none of the professionals around them will do anything other than unquestioningly affirm that Barbie is a girl, and that in fact A is the responsible and supportive parent because he is accepting Barbie’s true identity?

In theory could this happen?

LadybirdsAreBirds · 28/08/2018 18:18

Househelp

Thanks. Have posed a question

dontbringmedown · 28/08/2018 17:55

Trans organisations are unpicking safeguarding

Fucking Hell.
that's all.

dontbringmedown · 28/08/2018 17:54

It really worries me the regulations and policies that are being thrown out of the window in order to keep a small number of very demanding, domineering people happy.

We need some VERY brave head teachers to speak up and say Not On My Watch.
Headteachers who are nearing retirement should speak up and make themselves heard - as they have less to lose, unlike those whose careers could easily be damaged by these 'bullies'.

R0wantrees · 28/08/2018 17:49

Warnings by Claude Knight (former director of Kidscape) :

clicky link to article:www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3006679/paedophile-jailed-transgender-christyl-knight-christopher-nobile/

(Extracts)
The con is desperate for a fresh start but child protection expert Claude Knights said: “Allowing these individuals to hide a secret past is a dangerous practice.”

"[Margaret-Ann Cummings, a campaigner whose son was murdered by a convicted sex-offender] added: “It’s not unusual for sex offenders to want a new identity but this is the most disturbing case I’ve heard of.

“When someone, so soon after getting out of jail, is trying to change not just their name but their sex and appearance too, it sounds like they’re trying to hide rather than reform.”

Echoing her calls, child protection expert Claude Knights said: “Anyone who’s fuelled the vile trade in indecent images of children and therefore contributed to their sexual abuse should not be allowed to change their name.”

Intresting to note that Claude Knight has commented.
She has recently retired after 15 years as head of Kidscape: www.kidscape.org.uk/news/2016/may/ceo-claude-knights-announces-her-retirement

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324391-Paedophile-expert-warns-of-transitioning-as-a-ploy

R0wantrees · 28/08/2018 17:45

This recent case in Scotland where two young girls aged 10 and 12 were sexually assauted in the women's toilets in two supermarkets by a 17 year old raises some serious questions.

The young person who has been convicted and waiting sentencing pending reports was 17, had a long history of ongoing social care involvement. The local newspaper report uses gender neutral descriptors thoght reported speech which describes then as looking and sounding male.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329936-teen-films-girl-in-toilet

Its possible that there may be a case review due to the circumstances.

Also important to be aware of the social care toolkit and resources made available to young people in the care system.
See thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

Househelp123 · 28/08/2018 17:03

Just a heads up that Mumsnet are doing a Facebook chat (or something) with the NSPCC all about safeguarding and have started a thread asking for questions. I have asked one.

LadybirdsAreBirds · 28/08/2018 16:59

Yup

Thingybob · 28/08/2018 16:58

ItsAllGoingToBeFine

The "mentoring" of these vulnerable children - who is mentoring

We know that an 18 year old from a very dysfunctional family was considered fit to be a mentor in 2015.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 28/08/2018 16:46

Tommy Bear is an actual rainbow bear (see their FB page)

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 28/08/2018 16:45

So many issues with that youth group for me:

Mixing vulnerable 13 years olds and 21yr old adults.

The secret location - do parents know where their children are?

The "mentoring" of these vulnerable children - who is mentoring, and to what end?

Their "Links" section seems somewhat trans heavy

The addition of the T, how are young gays and lesbians treated here?

LadybirdsAreBirds · 28/08/2018 16:23

Thingbob

Yes, no link to Safeguarding policies

LadybirdsAreBirds · 28/08/2018 16:21

Thingybob

On the Prism (youth group) website there's a tab for "Tommy Bears (sic) Travels" but when you click on it there's nothing there

David Challenor called himself Balloo

Thingybob · 28/08/2018 16:05

Apologies if this has been posted before but I couldn't find anything on here about this group.

www.prismlgbtq.org/
aimeechallenor.uk/mywork.html
icov.co.uk/inside-prism-coventrys-only-lgbtq-youth-group/

Lots of things don't sit well with me; a club that caters for very vulnerable YP from 13 years old, secret meeting places, no mention of police checks, no mention of the fitness of those doing one to one mentoring, a club that 'welcomes parents', activity days, overnight trips.

R0wantrees · 28/08/2018 14:39

Several Mermaids trustees - including the trustee responsible for safeguarding - are anonymised/redacted in official charity documentation.

This issue was also raised with regards the trustees of Mesmac discussed on recent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331095-Channel-4-appoints-a-new-advisor-on-inclusion

R0wantrees · 28/08/2018 14:37

Recent thread:
( this social care toolkit and the resources for children and young people needs examination ) :
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

LadybirdsAreBirds · 28/08/2018 14:29

Fuck sake LangCleg

LangCleg · 28/08/2018 11:20

Several Mermaids trustees - including the trustee responsible for safeguarding - are anonymised/redacted in official charity documentation.

twitter.com/Neverfallingfo1/status/1034371623980359680

Privacy is not more important than safeguarding.