Let’s talk about how safeguarding is being disregarded

Just wanted to mention a public seminar on Mandatory Reporting taking place on 27 September organised by the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse. It seems to be the first of two, the second part is in April. As far as I can see, anybody can attend.

Details, agenda and list of participants here;
www.iicsa.org.uk/research-seminars/mandatory-reporting-seminar

I absolutely agree, Lang.

Placemats- the "paedogeddon hysteria" stuff seems to get rolled out by men to discredit women's legitimate safety fears, often based on their own horrible childhood experiences of being abused by adults in their families and positions of authority and trust.

I can only think of one reason and it is frankly too awful to contemplate.

I can think of two. The second one being acceptable collateral damage within the main mission.

looks like the NSPCC haven't shown up #embarrassing

I have to step away from this subject at times as - just like all the women on here - I find it unbelievable that the DfE, the NHS, politicians, charities, despite everything we know about safeguarding are allowing the basic principles to be trashed in this way. And yes, it is those 'gender non-conforming' children who are being specifically targeted and removed from the care of parents and responsible adults.

I can only think of one reason and it is frankly too awful to contemplate.
We really do need journalists to start investigating this.

I just don't understand why when the vulnerablities of children and young people questioning their gender identity are repeated so often by TRAs, that there isn't consideration, concern or care for this.

This is the question I can't stop asking myself.

I mean, I disagree with (obviously) but can understand the disregard for the privacy and dignity of girls. If you're a passionate follower of the gender identity religion, you believe this is irrelevant.

But to put the very kids you are advocating for at increased risk of abuser infiltration? There is no palatable reason for this that I can imagine or conceive at all.

Opps way to many regarding in that post. I hope you get my gist.

I understand exactly what you mean Beachcomber

I've had a mansplain regarding the issue regarding the basis that the current expose regarding David Challenor will inflame the 'paedophiles are around every corner and won't someone please think of the children' At that point I rolled my eyes.

The sexual abuse of children and women is endemic in the UK and this is an issue often brushed under the carpet.

They also need to prove why "affirming" a child with a possible trans identity requires dissolution of safeguarding protocols (confidential disclosures, parental alienation, involvement of other agencies). These protocols are specifically disregarded in guidance issued by trans lobby groups in schools and they all encourage abuser infiltration. In this aspect of it, the likely abuser is not trans and the likely victim is a child with a possible trans identification.

I just don't understand why when the vulnerablities of children and young people questioning their gender identity are repeated so often by TRAs, that there isn't consideration, concern or care for this.

That then those who are raising these concerns are silenced , smeared etc is mind blowing...

They also need to prove why "affirming" a child with a possible trans identity requires dissolution of safeguarding protocols (confidential disclosures, parental alienation, involvement of other agencies). These protocols are specifically disregarded in guidance issued by trans lobby groups in schools and they all encourage abuser infiltration. In this aspect of it, the likely abuser is not trans and the likely victim is a child with a possible trans identification.

These idiots are throwing "their own" children under the bus. And they're doing it with funding from the fucking government and some of our biggest charities. It defies belief. And when the inevitable scandal happens, I hope a lot of heads roll.

Safeguarding has always been an arms race between those tasked with protecting the vulnerable and predators who attempt to gain access. Every single piece of safeguarding best practise and legislation we have is built on a mountain of preventable human suffering and death.
Advocates of self-ID should have the burden of proof thrust upon them to prove how self-ID will not damage existing safeguarding and won’t undermine the sex-based protections in the EA2010. No true Scotsman and “it’ll never happen” won’t cut the fucking mustard. They need to PROVE how self-ID will be effectively policed to prevent predation by men who will be able to assume a legally recognised female identity and gain access to vulnerable women and girls with no legal way for them to be kept out

VickyEadie. Yes, it is incredibly disturbing. It is crystal clear with all the stuff that has been coming out over recent years that there is a significant sector of the population who think, at best, that men sexually abusing children (and women) is "just one of those things", and, at worst, a fucking right they should have.

And these people are adept at garnering the support of the "so open minded my brain has fallen out" crowd. Although as time goes on (Girl Guides, the Green Party, the Labour Party, the Libdems, the Challanors, etc) one can't help thinking that a lot of the woke crowd aren't right on at all they are just giant misogynists.

I agree with Lisa Muggeridge that the trans movement is intentionally and calculatingly dismantling safeguarding. And we need to shine a light on this dangerous and deeply anti-social behaviour. There are a lot of people who still think that the trans movement's actions WRT children and women are accidently "open to abuse". In fact, it would seem to be becoming increasingly clear that those actions are not simply and accidently vulnerable to being exploited by abusers…

(I'm mincing my words slightly in the hope that this will not be deleted.)

Mumsnet are doing a Facebook live with NSPCC re safeguarding tomorrow

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_facebook_live/3343961-Facebook-Live-about-talking-to-kids-about-staying-safe-from-abuse-with-NSPCC-Thursday-30-August-12-30pm?pg=1&order=

I would love to see this thread in The Staffroom.

I would like to read more teachers' thoughts on this issue.
O,r maybe someone could post a link to this thread? (if that's not against guidelines)

wWat we do in this country is pretend we care about children
''We must care about children a lot - look how much we raise for 'Children in Need' every year! But, ooh look - penis-holders want to get into spaces where they have unfettered access to children (especially girls) and women - let's let them!

It's crazy isn't it?

I have just completed PREVENT training, and it strikes me that this is actually a form of radicalisation

Yes. Absolutely

VickyE - the big difference here is that people (particularly, but not exclusively, women) have been saying for some time now that the TRA agenda is harmful to children. This isn't something that with hindsight we can see should have been handled differently. Right here, right now we are saying that established safeguarding policies and practices are being undermined by men with feelings - and everyone in authority who is supposed to be protecting the most vulnerable in society is pretending not to hear

Beachcomber and AngryAttackKittens

I agree, sadly, that it will take a scandal to wake people up.

By then, there will be a mountain of things to 'unpick' - and some may not render themselves to unpicking.

What I also know is that the phrase we hear after every, single, fucking child abuse scandal - "This must never happen again" - will be heard again and again.

Because what we do in this country is pretend we care about children (I'm using the loose sense of 'we', obviously) and then centre adults - specifically men - every, single time.

Ooh, look, we must care about children a lot - look how much we raise for 'Children in Need' every year! But, ooh look - penis-holders want to get into spaces where they have unfettered access to children (especially girls) and women - let's let them!

AngryAttackKittens, I'm afraid that you are very very right. There will be a scandal and then there will be whitewashing. Because that is how these things go. We know because we've seen it before and despite the handwringing that goes on in the aftermath, the fact is that most of those who will be harmed are girls and women so society and those in power don't give a fuck.

Having said that, I think safeguarding is something that the average MNer / parent / normal nonwoke person can get behind. We need a campaign.

Guardian article January 2018 'Downgrading minister's role shows children are slipping down the political agenda'

(extract)
"Theresa May’s reshuffle put paid to a children’s minister sitting in the upper echelons of her government. Robert Goodwill was dumped from the post after little more than six months in the post, with the role of minister of state for children and families abolished, and most of its remit passed to the junior minister Nadhim Zahawi, a parliamentary under secretary.

The role of parliamentary under secretary is important. They do vital work in government and often have a wide ranging brief. And I’m sure Zahawi will do his best to make sure children’s issues are heard at the highest level of government.

The move is a setback for children and young people, who now, more than ever, need to know that their needs are taken seriously.

The National Children’s Bureau, with colleagues from Barnardo’s, Unicef, the Children’s Society, NSPCC, the Children’s Rights Alliance for England and others are concerned that the loss of the children’s minister as a full minister of state signals that the role is being deprioritised.

We can’t afford to let the needs of children slip down the political agenda. Only last week, the Local Government Association confirmed the growing crisis engulfing children’s services, with a child being referred to social workers for help every 49 seconds. This increasing demand for support comes at a time when crippling funding cuts are leaving councils with capacity only to help the most urgent of cases. The All Party Parliamentary Group for Children, coordinated by the National Children’s Bureau, recently found through an England-wide survey that 40% of councillors leading on children’s services said that a lack of resources prevented them from meeting their statutory duties." (continues)

www.theguardian.com/social-care-network/2018/jan/18/downgrading-ministers-role-children-slipping-down-political-agenda

With regards to confidentiality and affirmation only, or allowing self-harm in the form of breast binding, it could be interpreted to violate the legally established Teacher's Standards. Page 14 'Personal and Professional Conduct', assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/665520/Teachers__Standards.pdf

Added to all this, for a school setting one could argue that supporting an ideology which one knows is against established facts such as biology is in violation of the Teacher's Standards established by the government.

I have just completed PREVENT training, and it strikes me that this is actually a form of radicalisation.

With regards points 7-10 and both judges comments on the CAFCASS report, there was a segment on Woman's Hour in recent months in which the close involvement of Stonewall as provider of training for CAFCASS was discussed.
(I haven't managed to find it yet sorry)

What are the woke people waiting for in order to reset their moral compass?

Honestly? I think it will take a massive scandal for the people who've publicly embraced this ideology to change their positions. And when that happens they'll pretend that they never advocated for it in the first place, and scream bloody murder at anyone who points out what they were saying a year or two ago.

I don't think the people aggressively parroting the TRA line have a moral compass, is what I'm saying. So a reset in the official line they're taking will only happen when doing so no longer results in headpats and praise.

The Savile case was eye-opening for me in terms of realizing that my assumption that everyone has an inbuilt sense of right and wrong and is upset by the idea of any child being abused was not only incorrect but deeply naive.

I hope people really think about this issue. I mean all the right on po-mo live and let live I'm not afraid of a penis people.

There are so many of us who have been waving an enormous red flag for years about what taking trans ideology to its logical conclusion actually means. And this is the sort of thing that was predicted; safeguarding being eroded, children being groomed and abused, links with pedophilia, etc.

And we were told that it never happens, that we are transphobic, that we are on the wrong side of history.

It is time for this to stop. I've been reading the Girl Guides thread and the cavalier approach taken to safeguarding in that organization as a result of trans ideology is eye opening and disgusting.

What are the woke people waiting for in order to reset their moral compass? Surely even they can see the harm inevitable in adopting trans ideology over material reality and imposing that ideology on minors

So Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy is generally considered a red flag for child protection intervention? Yet if that MSBP takes the form of transing the child, social services and other child welfare professionals must simply affirm that child's status & narrative? Am I reading and interpreting this right? That's a gaping loophole as wide as the Amazon delta.