Another gay man is coming out...

Morgane seems to have completely lost it recently - throwing around threats of lawsuits and attacking anyone and anything who doesn't conform to their doctrine. Maybe you are right and they are feeling just a little bit less sure of themselves. Hope so.

twitter.com/1984alerts/status/1032798247415373824

Skylar is now being targeted by the Morgane Ogre. Interesting - I've not seen him target a man before. Maybe they're up against the wire....or maybe it's high time more men spoke up. Men - this affects you too.

Thanks for the context
No problem Old, although my comment was directed generally, not specifically towards you, because I did not want to see a praise pile-on directed to a male again. I actually appreciated that you thanked MM for her site. More of us should.

It is good that a few gay men are finally speaking up, but they have not said anything more profound than what radfems have said for decades (nor do they get all the rape/death threats for doing it). Where were these gay men in 2012 speaking out about the Cotton Ceiling? Where were these gay men in 2018 standing in solidarity with the Lesbian 8 in front of the London Pride march? Mostly, they have been on the side of the TRAs attacking lesbians and women, and the few that were not, largely silent.

So yes, it will take more than one guest blog post that took months to write to get more than a passing "thanks bro" out of me.

Jesus Christ where did you crawl out from

Hey Skylar double-barrelled posh surname

Really, judging him about his surname - you just knew anything else they had to say was going to be balanced and well considered

Ah Cesira. Thank you for the Flumps link. Takes me right back

gay men and lesbians need to ‘unlearn’ their aversion to genitals of the opposite sex

How is that not conversion therapy? Has anyone seen any incoherent batshit trying to explain this? Please? Anything that might throw light on how someone could come up with this?

• Doing ANYTHING but validating unconditionally despite any other circumstances or comorbid conditions affection the person is 'conversion therapy', it's a major TRA/Trans ideology obsession.

• How the hell is it possible to believe that conversion therapy is evil for trans people but imperative for gay people? And how can you believe that it's appropriate to ask people to 'unlearn' their genital/sexual preference but not appropriate to ask people to unlearn their gender identity?

The cognitive dissonance must clang whenever they turn around.

Incidentally does anyone know (or want to do a research paper) on a diagnosable condition for people who are incapable of comprehending basic semantic meaning of words and distort them beyond any shared useful meaning? The bastardisation and inability to share meaning for words like 'woman', 'gender', 'sex', 'hate', 'conversion therapy', 'literal violence' etc provide vast amounts of evidence.

CesiraAndEnrico.

this person isn’t too happy...

That person isn't ever happy.

A lot

All the time

They are the TRAs' very own Pootle + little black cloud. The only difference being Pootle was umpty for one episode, not every minute of the entire fecking series.

Absolutely brilliant article. It is such a relief and so refreshing to see men talking about this.

Yep, good on him.

And yes, it's appalling that GC women have been saying this for ages and nobody has bothered to listen and has gone for abuse instead. I don't accept that reality as ok but we do have to be pragmatic about what will change things and garner support given that's the reality. If gay men start speaking out - especially left-wing ones like Jonny Best - it messes up the TRA narrative, and messing up the narrative is crucial.

I am beginning to notice other gay men speaking out over the last few days or at least asking the questions. I am getting the distinct impression - although it is very early days obviously - that things might be on the turn.

It’s sadder yet that the world won’t listen until it’s high profile men speaking out.

True. I suspect I'm no different.

It is a sad fact of life that people only tend to wake up to stuff when they realise it will impact them personally.

twitter.com/SkylarJordan/status/1032647629166051328

But here is evidence of a gay man being told he should, as a "queer" man (Skylar rejects the "queer" label) accept trans men (biological females) as men.

"I saw something the other day about how gay men and lesbians need to ‘unlearn’ their aversion to genitals of the opposite sex. It’s conversion therapy and textbook homophobia."

Will Stonewall finally accept this evidence of the inherent homophobia within the trans movement?

It is telling his moment of revelation was when he realised what the impact would be on gay men. Still, good article

Good on him.

👏

Morgane Ogre is on Skylar’s Twitter saying that to publish such words is illegal under BC law. What a country! Standing up for women and lesbians is illegal? How worke and progressive! Slow handclap for that self-declared feminist, Justin Trudeau.

OMG and so refreshing to see a man who really, really gets it.

THIS is the million dollar question. My view - based on my experience so far - is that the extreme trans women activists are pure misogynists. They want to be women, and when women say no to them, they explode in fury and loathing.

Read the whole thread here: twitter.com/JonnnyBest/status/1032448471561854976

Good article, strong points clearly made. Thank you Skylar, I hate that we need men to start speaking out about this, but the fact is that we do live in a patriarchy and men get listened to. Usually without being threatened with rape and murder.

Jonathan Best on Twitter

twitter.com/JonnnyBest/status/1032444305477197825

"A man breaks cover and speaks out: @SkylarJordan this time. How many is that now in total? Are we into double figures yet??
Come on men. We're too fucking late to this. Let's get moving."

"And this notion that we can overcome “genital preferences” is homophobic and erases our identities, as homosexual people. It doesn’t just echo the far-right conversion therapies so many of us have fought decades to end, it actively embraces these beliefs, as it implies we could become heterosexual if we just opened our minds and overcame our “preferences” for members of the same sex."

And who is the biggest supporter and driver of this whole rotten ideology?

Stonewall, that's who.

I’m glad this is happening.
I’m sad it has taken so long and that it needs men to say it before it has any credibility.

Echoing ItsAllGoingtobe

This just makes it all so clear that the Trans Activist theory of Gender is homophobic:

And this notion that we can overcome “genital preferences” is homophobic and erases our identities, as homosexual people. It doesn’t just echo the far-right conversion therapies so many of us have fought decades to end, it actively embraces these beliefs, as it implies we could become heterosexual if we just opened our minds and overcame our “preferences” for members of the same sex.