Have we petitioned Stonewall directly?

To be honest, perhaps one thing we could ask Stonewall is about their trans advisory group member Aimee Challenor and they have an opinion on recent events...

bewilderness
Could you point me in the direction of any history on the very early stages of this "debate," especially with Stonewall? That would be fascinating.
I wonder whether we could pull up some of those old quotes, if only to prove that this has not always been the consensus view. Maybe it would remind people that these are new ideas. Even looking at some earlier articles about self-ID, the "opposing viewpoint" could actually be a quote from a transsexual person themselves. Nikki Sinclaire comes to mind.
I will probably just drop it, re:Stonewall.
But it feels a shame we are at this point.

I've repeatedly asked for this thread to stop being derailed - so I will be reporting further off-topic posts.
We've just got back on track.
I'm well aware of the circles Hetty Spoon runs in, thank you. I disavow each and every single one of the actual violent threats on that Twitter thread (of which I count such violent language coming from 6 accounts - and I do not recognize their screen names). Nor do I condone some of the other rhethoric on there. I ain't seen threats of violence from regular MN posters either.
However, your counter of one tweet thread, is absolutely nothing compared with the deluge of evidence we have of TERF being used in association with violent threats and imagery.
FFS

Anyways, thebewilderness, I agree that it seems this is all going to be hopeless. It's just sad to feel like we can't just talk about the difficult stuff and reconcile our differences like grown-ups. And I am sure the public would be interested in an open debate, because there is so much misinformation and bad blood right now. It's all so toxic.

Stonewall literally stonewall anyone who doesn't chant the mantra. And their activists WILL seek vengeance on those that don't. So approaching them - and trying to talk to them, means someone has to be the fall 'guy'.

Well, exactly. This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach. But in my ideal world I would like to have something like a petition or letter-writing campaign where it would be easy to do, there is safety in anonymity, and if enough people were able to join in then they cannot keep saying it's a "fringe concern" of some devil-worshipping witches.

You know exactly what you did. You jumped on this thread and made this all about how evil the gender-critical side is.

This is one of the few places we can talk online.
There are countless threads debating nuances of positions.
This thread itself has mixed reactions to my OP.

If you'd started a new thread posing your question as to whether we are a "monolith" - then everyone could benefit from more easily being able to find it.
The ones being dehumanized are the feminists- replace TERF with anything else, like "trans" or "woman" or "lesbian."
I write grandmother, because it highlights Maria's humanity. It reminds you that she is a person. She may disagree with you politically. But she is somebody's grandmother, who was assaulted by three young people claiming to be human rights activists for trying to film masked protestors intimidating her and blocking her from attending a meeting.

Users of this very website - an anonymous parenting forum - were doxxed by someone claiming to do so for trans activism:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3225517-The-MNHQ-Moderation-team

Feminists are just not doing this.
Nobody here wants to "F*ck up a , they're no better than fash."
The people assaulting trans people are violent men, many of them paying for sex, who have never even heard of Germaine Greer. These are dangerous individuals we should all be finding ways to stop together.

But thank you at least for acknowledging that it is wrong to call for violence. Because many people on the trans activist side do not agree. As you can tell from the Twitter link I posted upthread detailing the reactions to Stonewall condemning violence.

So what? Some people are goths, vegetarians, socialists, animal-rights activists, Scientologists, Antifa members, anti-vaxxers, Conservatives, etc, etc, etc.
You define yourself according to your belief.
Gender identity itself may be in a different category, much more personal and complicated - but the ideology around trans activism is just a belief. Some transsexuals are perfectly happy to say they are not actually female, but have adopted a womanly role. I've seen stories online where trans people get increasingly frustrated by trying to chase an unattainable goal of "becoming" the opposite sex, and feeling great relief when they come to terms with the idea that it's not actually possible.
Be proud of the "trans" part, is my own opinion.
But every time you use "cis" you are saying you have a gender identity that matches with your sex.
I will not be coerced into re-defining myself, the Oxford English dictionary, biological facts, and laws, simply to validate others. Don't force me to believe that males can be females, or that sex doesn't matter.
I tried, I can't do it.
If you are going to keep engaging on this thread, I am going to need some kind of sign that you are against the violence against women being threatened by some trans activists right now. Otherwise you are condoning the idea that people like me should be assaulted, raped or harassed.
It is this silencing and toxic atmosphere that prompted me to post this thread in the first place. Because I think it's dangerous, a 60-year old grandmother has already been beaten up for wanting to attend a talk, women have been doxxed en-masse, and it's bad for everyone. Stonewall or other LGBT organizations could help calm this down, just by trying to call for rational discussions.
You still haven't said anything about that?
Have a look at these threads documenting violence and coercion of women, lesbians -

Threats:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3342464-collating-evidence-of-threats-against-women-by-tras

Lesbians who don't do penis:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3294339-cotton-ceiling-evidence-thread

If you cannot condemn this hatred of women, of lesbians, with the horrific dehumanizing language and open calls for violence, then I cannot continue to engage in any kind of good faith. Because it means you agree with them.

12thGuelph
That's an insane accusation.
Stating the fact that males cannot become females literally tells you nothing about how you are meant to treat them.
I personally would be polite, and have REPEATEDLY stated that you, trans people, every person, can believe whatever. It's none of my concern, really.
But others have to extend me the same courtesy.
And when it comes to changes to the LAW, which can affect me - then I have the right in a democracy to explain my philosophical position, argue, and provide evidence. I should be able to do so without actual fear of physical violence - which you still have not condemned?
Trans activists, and you, also have a right to your opinion and your arguments should be heard. An actual open debate, held in neutral territory, would be the healthiest way to do this. Not you derailing this thread and smearing us for something we never said.
Distinctions are not dehumanizing. We to be able to acknowledge basic truths like sex! Saying trans women are trans women, but not the same as adult human females (women), is a neutral fact. It's not meant as a value judgement. Neither kind of person is more or less "authentic." They're just two different categories. Gay people are not straight, but they're still people who deserve love and respect. Trans women are not women, but they're still people who deserve love and respect. Blue-eyed people don't have brown eyes, but they're still people who deserve love and respect.
I am not going to go around abusing Christians, or tell them what to wear, or what to believe, just because I do not believe in any of the tenets of Christianity. But equally, I would find it irritating if people kept preaching passages of the Bible to me, or told me to give up something for Lent. The same principle goes for trans people - I would never dream of going around harassing them just because they are trans.
The problem is that some trans activists are demonizing and harassing people like me for having a simple difference of opinion.
Saying you agree to disagree - and explaining your rationale for believing what you do - is not bigotry.

But I suspect not everyone experiences the same intensity of gender identitification, and I decided not to assume that my gender-meh experience is the only valid one.
You're guilty of this yourself by dismissing the concerns of people who do not experience gender in accordance with your ideology. I am one of them. I don't have a gender identity. Stop trying to force this on me.