Stop funding hate

Great post FloralBunting . I totally agree.

Ach, not surprised. I dislike the Daily Mail as a paper for lots of reasons. It's a tabloid and does tabloid things. I don't like the Guardian or the Sun or Mirror much either.

Stop Funding Hate sounds like a reasonable thing at the surface level if you're not keen on certain editorial choices. But it was in unpicking my discomfort over the way SFH operates that I actually became really firmly committed to free speech.

SFH doesn't have a problem with public hate at all. They just label things they simply disagree with as 'hate' and attempt to force their ideological opponents to submit to the views SFH approves of. They don't do this by open argument, they do it by pointing and screeching like something out of invasion of the body snatchers.

They are not a righteous cause. They are totalitarian bullies.

How on earth can they look at that story and see hate for fucks sake. Linda said she would defend herself if attacked, and this is hate speech?!

I can't stand Littlejohn and he is no friend to women in many ways but I thought he dealt with Jan Morris very sensitively in that article, where is the "hate"?

They can indeed fuck all the way off. How about hatred of women?

Arranfan-“If "Nazi" and "hate" are tossed around so freely, what meaning can they have? The meaning of both is diluted beyond recognition. We're witnessing semantic change/degradation in real time. And, apart from the inappropriate use, they are weakening the horror of what they represent.”
This is exactly what I’ve been thinking. I Don’t even like the term “hate speech” it smacks of Orwellian newspeak used to oversimplify and indicate without providing any explanation. It is used to cover activity and mislead. I’m in full favour of sticking to good old fashioned, (if time consuming,) description that has true meaning in real life, and that cannot be seized upon and twisted. How would their opposition to these particular articles be headlined or communicated without the term I wonder.

Stop Funding Hate have been doing this for a while. It's bullshit.

So many young people allegedly don't know about WW2 or the Holocaust (every so often, there are reports/surveys about this). The NPR item about such a report in the US ends: It's hard to tell people to never forget when they haven't heard.

www.npr.org/2018/04/14/602443782/the-startling-statistics-about-peoples-holocaust-knowledge

When people use this language, have they genuinely forgotten, or they know better but don't care what they're doing to make a point?

If "Nazi" and "hate" are tossed around so freely, what meaning can they have? The meaning of both is diluted beyond recognition. We're witnessing semantic change/degradation in real time. And, apart from the inappropriate use, they are weakening the horror of what they represent.

I stopped funding hate a long while ago. It’s been years since I bought, read or clicked on the guardian.

I do not fund their hatred of women. I also boycott virgin since their attack on free speech by banning the mail.

Exactly what is ‘stop funding hate’’s actual agenda?

We’re all adults, we all learnt about bias in school and can read what we like and assess it for ourselves. What is ‘stop funding hate’’s bias and what are they achieving with this?

Now they have chosen Richard Littlejohns article about Linda Bellos as their example of "hate". They can fuck all the way off.

twitter.com/StopFundingHate/status/1035432970839056386?s=19

2nd rule of misogyny: Women saying no to men is a hate crime.

India Willoughby was on Talk radio today, Anne Widcombe gave advice that India should talk to Holocaust survivors, that nobody is rounding up trans people and putting them in concentration camps.

Dawn Butler looks like a troll and I don't even like Jamie Oliver the sugar thief.

Also what Toolshed said.

People either think you're a snowflake millennial without a clue, or you have a hidden agenda. The words hate speech are increasingly being put in inverted commas as they get applied to more and more ludicrous situations.

Just wanted to fulsomely agree with this from Datun!

Sorry phone plugged in and it has a mind of its own

People either think you're a snowflake millennial without a clue, or you have a hidden agenda. The words hate speech are increasingly being put in inverted commas as they get applied to more and more ludicrous situations.

I think it is hateful that I now can’t use the toilets in public places, the gym or go to women only swimming sessions because I’m a rape victim and childhood domestic violence survivor who cannot be intimate spaces with male bodied people.
Who campaigns for us?

I found that depressing too - a good organisation that I've supported in the past now ignoring girls' feelings and safety. And the comments I saw were all siding with the 'trans trumps all' viewpoint. Off to look at pictures of kittens.

I think Stop Funding Hate have a worthy mission that they regularly overstep into authoritarianism. Frankly, it's a gift to the far right.

Quite a lot of the comments on the article were genuinely hate-filled, but a lot of the hate seemed to be directed at the government or nebulous left-wing-think. Frothier than a cappuccino, most of them.

Good letter

Dear Morrisons,

I am writing to you because you sponsor the Daily Mail. There was an article yesterday by Sarah Vine that was hate speech about transgender people.

I can't actually articulate what was hateful about it, or quote any hateful passages or hateful words from the article, but it was definitely hateful.

Yours

A. Numpty

Every single thing I've read from a TRA is what we are accused of being - "hysterical", and overblown. It's really rather striking and so obvious to the causal observer.

Yes. It's actually kind of frightening how easily the insult 'Nazi' trips off the type on the internet, because the power of the critique is being persistently diluted with ever more ridiculous applications.

I used to cringe when called a Bigot. Couldn't give a monkey's now, because the sting of the accusation has simply lost it's currency through such liberal misuse. Same for 'Hate speech'.

Eventually, not too far hence, probably for the crime of an assertion of straight forward biological fact, I will be called a Nazi so often it will have lost any shock value or horror. Which is genuinely a dreadful thought.

Agree with the dilutijg of the words 'hate speech'. It is used too often and for things that are not hate speech in any sense of the definition. The fact someone doesn't like what is said, doesn't make it hate speech.

I was chuckling about the comments though, it is as if no one had realised what all those nasty mean women were on about and now all of a sudden it becomes clear and they all go 'eh what?'