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This irrationally pissed me off last night.

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Optimusprimesmother · 22/08/2018 13:12

www.clarks.co.uk/c/Crown-Wish/p/26132786

I just get visions of this proud mum gagging to show her new transitioned ‘daughter’ off at school.

Why would you even need to write that? Why wouldn’t you just write ‘bought this for my child, they love them’ ?

Make sure me really worried that some parents are so eager to appear cool and liberal they are backing their kids in to corner with it.

This irrationally pissed me off last night.
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AsAProfessionalFekko · 22/08/2018 15:25

The sex od a baby is observed not assigned.

Optimusprimesmother · 22/08/2018 15:23

that child was assigned the wrong gender at birth and has in fact always been female...careful there

No the child was assigned a Male at birth because of the penis and chromosomes. Child like to wear clothes that girls traditionally wear. Fuck all wrong with that

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FloralBunting · 22/08/2018 14:53

KittyPerry77, oh I'm quite sure the information was put in to make the poster feel better. My first post on this thread went into some of the possible motivations for this kind of posting, so yes, I think it's entirely likely to be self-soothing thing to write.

We've seen quite clearly the lengths to which parents who believe their children are trans and go down the affirming route are willing to go to, to make themselves feel good about their own choices. A small pointless review of Clark's shoes is just a very trivial example of the behaviour.

HollyGibney · 22/08/2018 14:51

I think comparisons of having autism to being trans would be considered very much transphobic by many involved in trans activism but happy to agree to disagree.

KittyPerry77 · 22/08/2018 14:45

True FloralBunting if it's something that specifically is suited to autistic kids but it could just be something that that person's autistic kid happened to like. Ppl often put in those bits of additional info just because it makes them feel better and so why not.

No, HollyGibney I don't believe my post would be declared transphobic. Being trans would be thought of as an additional need as the child needs more support, much like a Gifted and Talented child.

TransplantsArePlants · 22/08/2018 14:41

Yes Floral

It's either confessional, or boastful, or trollery. It's certainly not helpful to anyone else. It's pure Social Media

FloralBunting · 22/08/2018 14:37

It would be a useful thing for a reviewer to say they bought something that was appropriate for their child with autism.

This is not a useful review, because what information does it add to the browser who is deciding whether or not to buy the shoes?

"Hmm, these shoes were approved by a parent of a confused young child who appears to have been unduly influenced by gender stereotypes. I have been looking for a pair that will be suitably girlish for my own children. I'll buy them!"

Haworthia · 22/08/2018 14:37

If those shoes only go up to a size 12 then the child would be aged 6 at the most. Makes me feel quite ill Confused

TransplantsArePlants · 22/08/2018 14:34

I bet there are a lot of boys who'd like a bit of patent

My dream shoes were red patent ankle straps (lawks!) from Ravel.

FanWithoutAGuard · 22/08/2018 14:32

I desperately wanted patent shoes when I was a kid.. they were never on sale though, so I could never have them.

I bloody hated t-bars though - those big holes either side of the T, the water got in and made my feet cold and left these big arched dirty bits on my socks. I remember the hail hitting my feet in them once and genuinely hurting.. Proper, full cover shoes all the way for me.

TransplantsArePlants · 22/08/2018 14:32

Would a parent who is comfortable with it refer to their child as "he"? ('misgender' them)

Genuinely not sure about that

It could be a troll

HollyGibney · 22/08/2018 14:31

You'd be called transphobic for making that analogy kitty. Being Trans is NOT an additional need, that child was assigned the wrong gender at birth and has in fact always been female...careful there!

AsAProfessionalFekko · 22/08/2018 14:29

12 - so that is very small then isn't it?

Gileswithachainsaw · 22/08/2018 14:28

kitty the she's go up to a size 12 which means the kid must be very young.

There's no such thing as a trans child just parents who are ashamed of effeminate boys and jumping on the woke wagon...

TransplantsArePlants · 22/08/2018 14:27

Kitty

Maybe you are right. Maybe she's just feeling the need to unburden in a way that is anonymous. It is completely irrelevant to the review so it is a bit odd

AsAProfessionalFekko · 22/08/2018 14:24

The sex of the wearers is irrelevant. Do they fit, are they tight, do they run the heels or squish the toes? Do they fall apart after the first wear? Are they comfortable and waterproof?

Social media encourages people to over share. Reviews are supposed to be helpful.

KittyPerry77 · 22/08/2018 14:21

Jeez give the parent a break. If I was trying to navigate parenting a boy who insisted he was a girl maybe I would try to find the positive moments where I could, like where there had been one day without any aggro as the child was just so pleased with the shoes.

I hope posters wouldn't think it ok to criticise a parent of an autistic child where instead of saying simply that the child loved the toy they'd say something like "So delighted to find this toy as it's hard to find something suitable for my dd who has autism".

Rebecca36 · 22/08/2018 14:21

Why the heck people don't keep family stuff private I do not know. Mother probably wants to show how 'trendy' she is. I would never make public anything at all about my children (& sincerely hope they would grant me the same courtesy). If they want to do it at a later date it's up to them.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 22/08/2018 14:19

I hated t-bars when I was a child.

FloralBunting · 22/08/2018 14:18

Oh, but so not surprised to see that they are patent T-bars, the most impractical shoes aside from the ones Naomi Campbell fell over in.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 22/08/2018 14:17

What size were they?

I remember when mums used to let their kids get silly haircuts and dyed purple and got attention.

FloralBunting · 22/08/2018 14:14

It's a visibility thing in the mind of the parent, I should think.

So, we're all reading it seeing the vanity of being evar so special and unique - I often see the same thing motivating my daughter's friends by being 'associated' with the cool, out there, issue.

But from the parent's perspective, I suspect that they think they are 'raising awareness' and increasing visibility by dropping little comments about this, likely in all sorts of places, online and offline too.

There will probably be no small amount of self-soothing going on too - proving to themselves how open minded and accepting they are.

Optimusprimesmother · 22/08/2018 14:05

No - obviously they will be making daisy chains and playing house..

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HollyGibney · 22/08/2018 13:49

Oh they'll get scratched if her child wants to kick a football or climb stuff.

Her child won't be doing any of that. Not now they're a girl!

NothingOnTellyAgain · 22/08/2018 13:49

The child won't as they are transing to girland girls don't do that stuff, so dont' worry.