This irrationally pissed me off last night.

Munchausen by proxy.
This is the way to do it without getting in trouble with the child protection services.

Maybe she's just doing her best with the language that's available to her! It's hard to think how to phrase " my child, who is male but prefers to wear clothes traditionally assigned to female gender stereotypes, is thrilled with these shoes!" Plus, my Y5 child, aged 10, is still a 12, so they might not be as young as people are worrying. Although why their age matters, I'm not sure. The child seems to have chosen the shoes and be happy, so hoorays all round.

Thanks! I’ll take a look.

Haworthia oh they (Plae) also come with an insole that you remove as they grow so they last more than one size.

Haworthia have a look at Plae shoes they are expensive but they go on forever & go though the washing machine.

Are human feet really different m v.s f or is it like height & there is a huge cross over? I buy & wear mens shoes nearly all the time...
"Girls" shoes are a massive bugbear of mine - they stop girls doing much more than skipping 🙄

I think the comment might have been a GC joke?

Slight off topic but: I have yet to find non Mary Jane shoes for my DD. I hate them in winter when it’s raining and cold. The problem is she’s 6 and Velcro fastenings are essential. If anyone knows of a good alternative I’d be delighted.

Optimus

Because I though you were taking her sarcasm at face value. Sorry if I misread that

That should be T bars (though mary jane's were rubbish too).

In the end they got lace ups.

Mary Jane's were rubbish for my girls. They always came home with dirt on their socks/tights and bits of grit in their shoes. The buckles never lasted. More work and money of course for girls and mums.

No idea cards -

I do know that lots of women can't fit their feet into certain brands of high heels a lot of the time as they are so narrow - proper women have dainty feet like cinderella obv...

For children - pre puberty - even if there are differences - and maybe there are - it doesn't explain the differences in style, durability, protection from the elements,staying power when running around etc etc

I find Clarks childrens' shoes pretty disappointing actually, especially when I have bought the most expensive ones, for my seven year old daughter who is a size 13/1. She's a normal sized seven year old, these do not come in her size. So is there a child of seven or younger out there whose parents consider that the child is "transitioning"? This is deeply disturbing if true.

Trans boy who is apparently not a girl yet aside. Clarks shoes are great. You have to buy the most expensive ones to get good quality though. You get what you pay for and all that. But very much worth it. Last ages.

@KittyPerry77 as a parent of two children with actual additional needs (autism) it’s insulting to suggest that it’s the same as trans needs.

I’m sick of this shit show. Parents it feels forcing their kids. My dd has enjoys wearing boys tshirts. Do I give a shit and make it into a statement? No. It feels like trans is the new bisexual.

I know that men's shoes are a different shape from women's shoes: the heel is wider which means I can't wear them and I love men's shoes. Is the same thing true of children's feet? Would it damage a boy's feet to put him in shoes made to fit girls?

Optimus/Kitty

Holly is pointing out that TRA ideology would have it that that child has always been female. She's stating it to shine a light on how ridic. it is

Now thinking about the Hannah Gadsby joke in Nanette about the bald babies with pink headbands.

Meh the comment doesn't bother me.

The intense gendering of childrens clothes / toys (and that leads through to activities and whatnot later on) is awful though.

There is no reason for shoes for children under 6 (or indeed anyone but that's another conversation) to be wildly different if designed for boys or girls. How are their feet different? How are their needs different? And yet we have shoes which are designed to be comfy, durable, keep out the elements etc on one hand, and shoes which are designed primarily for how they look, less comfy,less durable, and that let the elements in far more on the other hand. Why? I mean just why? What is the purpose? What message does it send? Why are societies so keen to highlight differences between the sexes (formal wear being a good example) or invent things that designate difference, and then enforce it so heavily?

I simply don't get it.

I know a woman who's just had a baby and every snap she sends it is done up in massive dresses and with all sort of bows and things all over its head. It's up to her and it makes her happy I guess but I just think wow that baby must be uncomfy done up like that. And why the need? Why the need to get babies which all look the same really and mark them to show boy or girl through their clothes or accessories?

I find it so odd. And it's not a political statement - I literally don't get it.

And I think this is why the backlash against the more regressive elements of trans activism and ideas started with feminists - so many of us are gender non conforming. We could have been allies. We WERE allies. We've been saying for years that saying "this is for boys" and "girls are like that" is rubbish and now we have this movement that absolutely props up those ideas and with a veneer of progressiveness that does not stand up for 2 secs when you examine it.

So this child is MTF trans and wanted some shoes. Why these shoes? What does it mean for girls who do not like these sorts of shoes? Has the option of "boys can wear these shoes" been offered? The idea that the child has literally been born into the "wrong body" rather than any more straightforward explanations (gendering of childrens stuff is bollocks) is bizarre.

I don't actually believe this. It doesn't ring true Or not in the way it's presented. Size 12 is very young primary school. I know that there are stories about mermaids etc supporting transition in very young children but I don't think it's that common is it? Especially as the poster buggered up their pronouns. I think it's more likely that young Jimmy just liked those shoes so woke mum bought them. Or it's bollocks.

Transing a child is child abuse. The whole ideology condones abuse of women and children.

But the shoes only go up.to 12, that means somebody is transing a very young child, so no, I won't give the parent a break.