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Charliethefeminist · 22/08/2018 13:02

What a neutral word between sex worker and prostitute? Is there one?

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placemats · 24/08/2018 14:48

Men who pay to rape women are rapists. The exchange of money has nothing to do with it.

piearesquared · 24/08/2018 14:35

I don’t like the tern sex worker as it is imprecise-it could mean cam girls, lap dancer stripper (or as abolitionists like to say pimps or managers).
There was a long thread on SAAFE (a forum where prostitutes talk about things of concern to them) here a while back where prostitutes discussed whether “prostitute” was stigmatizing-some thought it was others embraced the term .

The tem that prostitutes reject is “prostituted women” as that denies them agency and is used by abolitionists and radical feminists opposed to prostitution.

I think it’s best to stick with prostitutes and prostitution-as it says what it is.

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 24/08/2018 14:28

Another vote here for "prostituted women/ children".

"Men who pay to rape women"

FreezerBird · 23/08/2018 23:09

Prostituted women

or

Women exploited in prostitution

thebewilderness · 23/08/2018 20:09

Sex workers are pimps and traffickers while the people they sell are prostituted women and children.

sociopathsunited · 23/08/2018 11:57

Nothing

Exactly. I don't think there IS a neutral term. What real term you use will depend on which side of the line you are on. I don't think there's a mid point that also allows a full understanding of what is going on (as that understanding varies, depending on perspective).

NothingOnTellyAgain · 23/08/2018 09:42

It all depends who your audience is. Stuart message you want to convey. What their starting point is.

There is a good reason that there is no generally agreed term - because it's not a neutral "job". Plus highly political.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 23/08/2018 09:40

If she just says service providers no one will know what she is talking about.

sociopathsunited · 23/08/2018 09:31

I don't know if this has already been suggested or not..

Service provider

That seems fairly neutral.

Charliethefeminist · 23/08/2018 09:27

The thing about using the word pay is that quite often the women don't get paid, there is a man somewhere who gets paid.

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Italiangreyhound · 23/08/2018 00:22

placemats I am not saying anything about the sex in relation to what people normally might do sexually.

Maybe it is more accurate to say they are selling access to their bodies?

I am not making any judgement here, the OP said ' neutral'.

I am very anti-prostitution.

AllDayBreakfast · 23/08/2018 00:21

'Escort' is kind of in between...

placemats · 23/08/2018 00:18

They are not selling 'sex' though.

The women are getting a few crumbs from the table to have a man poke his penis into her orifices, including her mouth. A lot of the time his penis is dirty as well.

I've never had sex like that.

Italiangreyhound · 23/08/2018 00:15

Women who sell sex.

People who sell sex.

placemats · 23/08/2018 00:12

Call girls?

Good grief. Why would that phrase be in anyone's head? And why would anyone suggest it?

I agree with Quarks and theOtherPamAyres If Rachael Moran has suggested it, it's good enough for me.

Prostituted women.

LassWiADelicateAir · 22/08/2018 23:54

"prostituted women" or "prostitute"

I agree with everything in PamAyres' post.

thebewilderness · 22/08/2018 21:22

Prostituted people would be the most neutral term I can think of. Though the vast majority of prostituted people are girls and women.

Charliethefeminist · 22/08/2018 19:57

The problem is that the women who are able to speak up about it, and so have a bigger voice, ARE the ones with agency. The powerless ones who have no agency, have no voice.

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NothingOnTellyAgain · 22/08/2018 16:40

I don't think the term prostitute denies women agency?

Saying prostituted women does that more (although I agree that the 0.0001% who are in this job for love are pretty irrelevant when discussing it generally and so prostituted women is a good descriptor but is like a red flag to certain types of people. It depends who you're talking to - a "friendly" or unfriendly audience.The treatment of rachel moran has been fucking appalling simply for speaking about her life).

Charliethefeminist · 22/08/2018 16:00

Thank you again. I feel that prostitutes women is the phrase that most meets what I am looking for, though I understand some will say it denies women agency etc so is not flawless. (ignoring the fact that they've most likely been denied any agency in the first place.

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CardsforKittens · 22/08/2018 15:54

I think Sheila Jeffreys also uses the term 'prostituted woman'. I wouldn't call it neutral though. I don't actually think there are any terms that are neutral. So whatever term you use will imply what stance you're taking. And actually I think that's inevitable in the current climate.

JackyHolyoake · 22/08/2018 15:54

Meanwhile have a read of this:

www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1874622629511973&id=100008927618422

Gncq · 22/08/2018 15:50

"Women who are paid for sex by men" is only inviting comments (if used in the twittersphere) such as "but what about all the men who are paid for sex or all the women who pay for sex" etc.

LangCleg · 22/08/2018 15:48

Another vote for prostituted woman.

Gncq · 22/08/2018 15:47

To be completely neutral I'm not sure all women who do prostitution would like themselves described as a "Prostituted woman" because it implies a lack of agency.

Woman who is paid for sex is factual and neutral.

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