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Sarah Vine in the DM nailing it for the second week running

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tiredandweary · 22/08/2018 07:59

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6084937/SARAH-VINE-rights-one-transgender-pupil-trump-rest-schools-students.html

Another very good thoughtful article from her.

As schools must have sex segregated toilets then this school is evidently prioritising one protected characteristic, gender reassignment, over two others, sex and religious belief. How can they get away with that? Wonder what equality impact assessments they conducted (the answer will be none).

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TransplantsArePlants · 22/08/2018 09:03

What a shit photo to put with that article though.

TransplantsArePlants · 22/08/2018 09:02

Fortunately, I know of several school which are handling this issue much more sensibly

NotMeOhNo · 22/08/2018 09:02

The disappointing thing is that this is only an opinion column. It should have been investigated and revealed as a front page expose, while preserving the location in the interests of the trans girl. The trans girl clearly believes or has been led to believe that single sex schools are segregated on the basis of a nebulous feeling of femininity.

TransplantsArePlants · 22/08/2018 09:00

JellySlice

It is an example of organisations getting ahead of the law. And why did they suddenly decide to do this? Who's been in their ears?

Racecardriver · 22/08/2018 08:56

I would withdraw a child out of school over this. I went to a girls school and it was wonderful purely because we were all the same sex. Gender was and remains irrelevant to womens issues and women being routinely shamed and systematically excluded in our society. At school nobody gives a shit if you wear a skirt for your uniform but if you happen to have a bra strap showing or dare to talk about your period you are set upon by a pack of jeering teenaged boys. As boys turn into men and grow out of such childishness women's bodies start working against them, husbands see wives as default parents, employers see female job candidates as potential maternity leaves. Having a period in my life when I was free of this judgement because everyone arou nd me was going through the same thus was hugely beneficial to my self confidence because it was incredibly liberating.

JellySlice · 22/08/2018 08:51

tiredandweary, I agree - if self ID is extended to under 18s. And another example of organisations getting ahead of the law.

JellySlice · 22/08/2018 08:49

Problem with that article: lazy journalism. Third-hand information, no evidence of checking sources, no independent confirmation. Dangerous, potentially untrue scaremongering. Totally undermines itself.

MnerXX · 22/08/2018 08:48

Excellent article in a newspaper I have a newly found respect for.

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tiredandweary · 22/08/2018 08:46

And that dear JellySlice is where self ID comes in.
Schools are accepting that the 4 year old, the 12 year old and the 15 year old are competent to self ID and lo: the doors of the girl's showers, toilets and changing rooms are opened to those with the penis.

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JellySlice · 22/08/2018 08:42

(Oops)

Surely you can only have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment once you have a Gender Reassignment Certificate? You have to be over 18 to get a GRC, so a school-age child cannot have that characteristic.

JellySlice · 22/08/2018 08:40

this school is evidently prioritising one protected characteristic, gender reassignment, over two others, sex and religious belief.

Surely you can only have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment once you have a

nauticant · 22/08/2018 08:37

If it's not happening now, it might only be a matter of time. From another thread:

My dd goes to a very good state girls school. There is a waiting list a mile long. Our friends dd didn't get in this year spaces are extremely highly valued. Dd had the job of showing around the new year 7s. She was surprised as some of them "were boys mummy".

hackmum · 22/08/2018 08:26

"Quite simply, no teenage girl in Britain should be forced to undress in front of someone who is biologically a boy."

That nails it, really. Also glad to see her mentioning the rights of Muslim girls in this, who are a minority whose feelings generally get ignored. (Though I imagine this is the first time Vine has ever given consideration to the needs of Muslims in her column...)

I'd love to know what school this is happening at. It seems like a particularly foolish thing for a girls' school to do.

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tiredandweary · 22/08/2018 08:22

I recall that there was a meeting between a media trans group with the DM where TRAs were complaining about honest biased articles with the DM being 'educated' about 'wokespeak'. Good to see that the DM still has their critical faculties.

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TimeLady · 22/08/2018 08:20

She's also agrees with #stickerwoman

twitter.com/WestminsterWAG/status/1031304655492579328

TimeLady · 22/08/2018 08:08

Just the sort of MSM coverage that is needed.

Gncq · 22/08/2018 08:06

I wish more papers were allowing GC perspectives.