Sarah Vine in the DM nailing it for the second week running

Those people scare me, though - their views on some things that would be uncontroversial to both GC feminists and TRAs alike can be quite shocking.

On any subject!!

I was reading an article about the gcse results and the comments from some of the people who obviously had comprehension issues themselves were disgusting...having said that i only read 3/4 before I completely lost my shit

oh wow... if you go to the DM comments are sort by 'best', the highest rated ones are quite shocking. It really does show you how little we get away with here. Anyway, the DM's readers are having none of it. Any TRA-type comments are voted down into oblivion.

Those people scare me, though - their views on some things that would be uncontroversial to both GC feminists and TRAs alike can be quite shocking.

oh wow... if you go to the DM comments are sort by 'best', the highest rated ones are quite shocking. It really does show you how little we get away with here. Anyway, the DM's readers are having none of it. Any TRA-type comments are voted down into oblivion.

I'm just so pleased to see a decent article that covers the issues clearly on a site with such a huge number of users and so much influence. Good news for the gender critical perspective.

The EHRC is supposed to be issuing new guidance for schools in September (postponed from May). Will be interesting to see what it contains.

So are Mermaids etc right in this case?

No. This is what the Equality and Human Rights Commission says in their Technical Guidance for Schools

A school fails to provide appropriate changing facilities for a transsexual pupil and insists that the pupil uses the boys’ changing room even though she is now living as a girl. This could be indirect gender reassignment discrimination unless it can be objectively justified. A suitable alternative might be to allow the pupil to use private changing facilities, such as the staff changing room or another suitable space.

The schools are not obliged to let a boy use the girls' changing rooms just because he thinks he is a girl.

Well, we do know that at least one school pupil was able to take legal action to force their school to allow them into the opposite sex (girls') loos and changing areas. A certain Labour Women's Officer seems quite proud of that fact.

We also know that at least one other school has been 'reeducated' by transgender police officers to make it do just this. Again, it's something the police officer concerned was proud to bring about.

The comments under his wife's article should make the majority view clear enough. I cannot envisage a Conservative government passing this legislation; I think they're just going through the motions with the consultation.

Agreed Timelady, but like most politicians I don’t expect that he will risk speaking out until he sees some clear political benefit for him.

No, no, VickyEadie, after you. You go on, please do.

Unless you reference the issue, the rest of us do not know what you're talking about. I asked for clarification. Just like you said Sarah Vine should do.

So - on a public forum, if you ask a question, it's courtesy to let the rest of us know what you're referring to - isn't it?

Again - are Mermaids right about what?

Angels, my dc's primary schools had similar in the lower years. It did not seem to be a problem in general. In KS2 they had entirely separate toilets - which didn't stop a boy from following dd in. But that was a straightforward bullying issue, which the school stamped upon hard.

Definitely periods need to be taken into account in KS2. That, I think might be the way to raise the issue with the school.

I'd be amazed if Michael Gove ever thought self ID was a good idea, tbh.

No, no, VickyEadie, after you. You go on, please do.

I'm sure OldCrone understands what I am responding to.

Call me cynical but I reckon that the Goves have sussed that the tide may be turning on this issue. It would aid her husband’s career ambitions greatly if he were to time it right and jump aboard the bandwagon opposing self ID, therefore coming across as the voice of reason and putting clear water between himself and May.
I think that she is feeling out and preparing the ground.

JellySlice

So are Mermaids etc right in this case?

Keep going - are they right about what?

Not sure how to broach it in all honesty.

Invoke the law that says single-sex toilets must be provided. Put it in writing to the chair of governors, copy to the head, copy to local authority or academy trust if applicable.

I really wish SV had linked to the GRA or mentioned what it involves. I don't think many people beyond the realms of MN really grasp what's going on here and what's at stake - she's got the platform to do it. I feel really sorry for the girls at that school.

So are Mermaids etc right in this case?

My daughters primary school has unisex toilets. This has concerned me for a while. Not only are they unisex, but they are open plan as well. You can see all the stalls from the corridor.
There are cubicles labelled "boys" in blue and "girls" in red. Not sure how they handle girls who have their periods as there is literally no privacy at all.
Not sure how to broach it in all honesty.

Surely you can only have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment once you have a Gender Reassignment Certificate? You have to be over 18 to get a GRC, so a school-age child cannot have that characteristic.

You don't need a GRC to have that protected characteristic. From the Equality Act 2010 :

A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex.

It should be easier to invoke the exceptions if someone doesn't have a GRC, but schools are being told by Mermaids, GIRES and the rest of them that this would be illegal.

I wholeheartedly agree with protections around biological sex.

But what this massive toxic trans rights movements have done is completely screw up the poor child involved. They, and the parents no doubt, have been completely converted to the transgender religion, so that now the only conclusion that child can draw from this, believing that "transgirls are girls", is that everyone at the school who objects is a hateful bigot. Which they are not.

And for SV to note the apparent other difficulties the child has points to what can happen when a child's emotional difficulties are not dealt with "because all their difficulties stem from not being accepted as their authentic self"

Yes, clarify either that it is confirmed or that it is not. No need to give details.

I’d rather nail anything other than Michael Gove tbh.

Don't be daft VickyEadie. She could make it clear that she has not confirmed it, but that advice bring given to schools and other organisations traditionally understood to be single-sex, encourages precisely this.

"Daft"? I merely gave an example of the only type of "evidence" I could think of, but thank you for your judgment of me there. It was you who said she hadn't provided any "evidence" and now you've changed it to 'she should have said she hadn't confirmed it'.

Maybe she did confirm it, however.