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Dr Julia Long has just been brilliant on LBC

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ToeToToe · 21/08/2018 09:23

www.lbc.co.uk/london/radio/player/

You should be able to listen again here. 9am. There's a discussion going on now.

Talking about the penis stickers, and single sex spaces.

The trans-activist they on says that we should make space for all kinds of women: including "angry" women.

Yes, now there are women, angry women and trans women.

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busyboysmum · 21/08/2018 18:51

That was a cheering listen.

These TW always sound like men don't they when interviewed?

I'm not surprised Julia though "he" was the appropriate pronoun.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 21/08/2018 18:42

So it's all the ex wife's fault? Ohhh.

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 21/08/2018 18:36

Well that makes it all clear what the link is between TRAs and MRAs. ..

"My ex wife is a bitch"

Diddums of the world unite..

terryleather · 21/08/2018 18:02

The AGP with added narc is strong in that one...hope the ex wife has found her way to MN and the trans widows thread.

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 21/08/2018 18:02

Can someone reply and say, "I don't know, but now you mention it... do they give you a style guide at TRA camp?"

VickyEadie · 21/08/2018 17:57

Nellie: "Why do Bigots all sound the same?"

Oh, the mountain of irony in those seven words...

Sarahconnor1 · 21/08/2018 17:52

It was reminding nellie of nellies ex wife which is why he got angry and called Julia a bitch.

No idea why the ex wife is an ex, none at all. Nellie sounds charming.

Dr Julia Long has just been brilliant on LBC
BigTwit · 21/08/2018 17:48

I’m not on twitter but read it all. I’m dying to read a response to ‘Elll’ that says “Imagine being a man and thinking that you are better equipped to define woman that “literal” women.” I’ll join up if necessary. Thank you all, wonderful, erudite women. Many of us are quietly reading, and quietly acting.

Dr Julia Long has just been brilliant on LBC
arranfan · 21/08/2018 17:31

hackmum wrote I'm interested in the fact that the aggression, the extreme hate and use of misogynistic abuse appear to be a deliberate tactic

Yes. Alongside the parallels with the origins of fascism (which continues to gnaw away at me) I'm troubled by the cognitive dissonance of those who have no difficulty in 'calling people out' for cultural appropriation of (say) a foodstuff but have no troubling thought as to their similar cultural appropriation in other areas.

It's all very messed up in my head with democide.
The objectives of democide include the disintegration of the political and social institutions of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups; the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity; and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.

Because, with some of the incursions into women/children's safe spaces, educational opportunities, access to health services etc. - it does feel as if we are in danger of finding ourselves 'inadvertently' legislated into the removal/erosion of our "personal security, liberty, health, dignity" etc.

ErrolTheDragon · 21/08/2018 17:25

She has spent the rest of the day randomly saying "Human noses are in the centre of the face" and "Fish don't wear wigs".

Grinreminiscent of the classic line about fish and bicycles

FloralBunting · 21/08/2018 17:24

Lovely Tweety InstagramFilterHair person is a real charmer, aren't they? The misogyny just slipped out because Julia Long reminded them of another woman they hated for saying no to them. It can happen so easily to anyone who is provoked and hates women's guts.

placemats · 21/08/2018 17:14

True Floral

Will they have ownership of the banking account though?

I'm guessing in years to come the typical post on mumsnet will be 'he's a great dad and orders all the food for the house so I don't have to'

HerFemaleness · 21/08/2018 17:14

1st rule of misogyny

(getting in there before thebewilderness)

AsAProfessionalFekko · 21/08/2018 17:12

Was it the nasty angry women what made him done it? Awwww the poor wee wean...

HerFemaleness · 21/08/2018 17:11

Oh dear, somebody is not happy in Twitterland...

Has now deleted the tweet and is blaming women for making h** say mean things.

KOKOagainandagain · 21/08/2018 17:06

Could someone please tell me where I can find my odd looking testicles as I want to scratch them? TIA.

Kyanite · 21/08/2018 17:05

Michael here explains it as an autogynephile himself.

Dr Julia Long has just been brilliant on LBC
KOKOagainandagain · 21/08/2018 17:01

Baffled to learn that the 'types' of women are

  1. Lesbians
  2. Angry women
  3. Men

Are the 'types' of men therefore

  1. Gay
  2. Angry men
  3. Women?

I am biologically female (outdated concept) but as I am not irrationally angry and at all times and heterosexual that makes me a type of man! Who knew? I look forward to claiming my privilege.

FloralBunting · 21/08/2018 17:00

placemats, I'm not so sure, tbh. Groceries can be delivered now. All a woman really needs in terms of outdoor space is a small balcony. A window will do for the poorer ones.

placemats · 21/08/2018 16:57

You know a trans woman can have their own space in London where they can go and be themselves.

But a woman's space is being eroded constantly to the point the only space for them will be either with their parents or with their husbands/partners.

Obviously women will be allowed into supermarkets to get the shopping.

TransplantsArePlants · 21/08/2018 16:48

Yes, the angry women thing was strange. More and more TRAs just come over as imbeciles

TheChampagneGalop · 21/08/2018 16:46

Ha, that was hilarious. There are different types of women...such as lesbians...and angry women Grin

FloralBunting · 21/08/2018 16:45

Vicky used it twice in the whole interview, so yes, I should think it's probably a well worn phrase in their vocab. They probably think it's devastatingly clever and have a snigger over it with their chums. Bless.

rememberatime · 21/08/2018 16:40

I'm guessing that in trans circles "angry woman" is often used as yet another slur. Vicky came out with it pretty quickly when asked to list "types" of women. It's a phrase that this person has used before.

FloralBunting · 21/08/2018 16:38

Eldest miniBunting just listened with me. At a number of choice moments like "I'm a lesbian myself...", she clapped her hands together and said "Sit down!"
When it was over she said "I'm going start posting facts everywhere and daring people to call me a bigot for it."

She has spent the rest of the day randomly saying "Human noses are in the centre of the face" and "Fish don't wear wigs".