Dr Julia Long has just been brilliant on LBC

Just listened back on page one.

Really interesting.

'Julie Bindel is another media savvy woman'

She is, and is much better as a speaker than in print. A bit like Julia Long, she comes across as a reasonable person with a sense of humour

Wanderabout
That's a good list of articulate women with 'media' skills. It's a very hard challenge responding to questions and live media situations about this difficult subject and all these women have managed this brilliantly.
Julie Bindel is another media savvy woman - and the iconic Germaine Greer.
Our narratives have shifted lately and people are so much more 'on point' . Lots of articulate posts swiftly delivered on threads. It seems as if we're all benefitting from the brilliant work being done with the written word as well, the data, the clarity of thought and analysis. Dr Nic Williams, Fair Play for Women, WPUK, Transgendertrend, ManFriday and those fighting the good fight against the misogynists on twatter. R0wantrees relentless presenting of our collective memory / experience. Datun consistently modelling assertive responses - and far too many outstanding posters to mention on one thread. But and thank you for every wonderful woman posting on here - these toxic issues can at times drain our resilience and affect our mental health.

Just one worry - I'm not sure that the weetabix experts and recipe lovers who appear on certain threads (especially at midnight) are quite as "disciplined" - but they are so bloody funny

There's a link to the recording on r/GenderCritical.

Can anyone point me to the catch-up recording of the related ‘phone-in?

Julia Long is a
So clearly put her points across while the TRA came across like an idiot.
Angry women are a different type of woman are they?!?

Lovely thread there heresyandwitchcraft thanks.

That was from Nov last year - it is crazy to think how many new Gender Critical Stars have risen since then!

It was pre-#ManFriday!

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice
It's so important with a bit of positivity in all this. I came across a great "thank you" thread from about a year ago, which put a smile on my face. We could bump it/make a new one if you'd like:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3096118-Thank-you-thread-for-those-standing-up-for-women

I didn't mean it like that! We can still talk about it. I agree with Julia totally and won't use transwomen or even trans at all.

Thanks - I suspected it may not meet the guidelines.

Will reserve it for IRL and other digital platforms to MN.

Stickerladiesoftheworldunite TheUterati was a poster who talked on here about the same issues to do with language and use of transwomen etc. She has been banned by mumsnet.

have the word police claimed those too?

I think the stickied terms and conditions might exclude the use of " ", "so called" etc. depending on context. Other readers' interpretations might differ from mine.

I must admit that there are times when ci devant/self-styled/self-avowed would seem appropriate but I hesitate to use those because of the guidelines. And this is despite all of my misgivings about what it means to have language restricted or being dragooned into having to say things that are known to be untrue as an act of oppression and subjugation. (NB moving away from social psychologists for one, I'm thinking of the Language Debates of Ngugi and Achebe pdf )

There are many amazing Gender Critical All Stars..

It would be great to have a thread honouring and celebrating them and linking to some of their most glorious moments.

It would really cheer me up any time I felt despondent.

Julia Long is very well experienced and has a long history of brilliant media moments. Quite a catalogue could be brought together.

Did anyone else get the impression that Vicky was hearing from a radical feminist for the very first time? They found it very hard going, with long gaps between a question being put and their answer.

This is the trouble when you exist in an echo chamber. You are feted for being brave and stunning. You get your information about turves from unreliable and biased sources. You become unfamiliar with the need to persuade people to your cause with sound evidence-based arguments. You are reduced to whining that angry women are being mean.

Let's hope that other Gender Extremists will venture out into the light and air their case.

A PP added a brilliant youtube video of Julia.

I was really interested to hear Julia talking about the importance of not validating TRA claims that they are women by using trans woman, T*M etc.

In the LBC interview Julia always refers to "so called" Trans women. I'd like to explore that and start using those terms too. Or have the word police claimed those too?

Are there any previous discussions on this at all?

There's also ManFriday - they come over very well and Stephanie Davies-Arai all of whom I've heard interview articulately and well.

Agree. Lucy Masoud was also excellent when she appeared on radio.

Kathleen Stock is very articulate and comes across well on air.

Sarah Ditum is really articulate although a slightly different booking being a journalist.

Can't we include bonkers'women' to the list then?

I'm just going to post something I put on the fragrant Jess Bradley thread the other day, as I feel Vicky has added themselves to my list:-

I'm finding it intriuging the ever-growing link between some trans activisim personas, their very public 'activism', and their very public and eagerly-made links to their professed sexual activities.

I'm not implying that all transactivists are in this bracket, but week by week, more and more links come together. (Oh, and they seem only to be transwomen, not transmen on my list - funny that!)

For example:
Jess Bradley ,and their alleged enthusiasm for getting the penis out in public.

Tara Hewitt, and their publicly documented passion for BDSM, pet play and swinging. (Whilst also in their day job educating NHS professionals about trans-issues, reminding all those NHS workers that 'trans' includes men who get a sexual kick out of dressing in women's clothes.)

Zoe O'Connell, LibDem activist, and their polyamorous relationship.

Jane Fae, seemingly the BBC's 'go-to' spokesperson for all-things trans, and their championing of extreme porn and bemoaning the reduced ability to view cartoon CSA images, cos 'it's not fair' otherwise. (Let's not even go there about 'eggshell skulls' and all that).

Juno Dawson's eagerness to write about teenage girls' 'sex-positiveness' (despite not growing up as a teenage girl)

Zinnia Jones, who's promoting off-label drugs to support all those trans-kids whose parents and medical team don't give them 'what they want', whilst monetarising a side-line in trans-porn - often featuring their penis.

Vicky Lee welcome to my list! Vicky's outlines their experiences of wanking whilst dressing in women's clothes, and their ongoing, 'triggering' 'deep need' to share female experiences. But happy to go on national radio to explain why females should accept transwomen as a subset of women.

It's fascinating just how many trans rights activists are so vocal at the same time about their sexual lives.

In contrast to most of the gender critical voices on the internet. I couldn't tell you most of the sexual activities that GC activists like, other than some women's sexual orientation. Strange, isn't it?

Thank you Julia Long. Brilliant interview.

There's also ManFriday - they come over very well and Stephanie Davies-Arai all of whom I've heard interview articulately and well.

At times this seems like a mountain to climb (especially given all the resources that TRAs have behind them). But there is definitely a greater awareness and growing public anger at the outrageous demands and the seedy background of many TRAs.

Oh no, hang on Vicki, you got me to 2. Maybe Vicki is only aware of angry women because of Vicki's unique ability to arouse that emotion wherever Vicki goes?

"Baffled to learn that the 'types' of women are

1. Lesbians
2. Angry women
3. Men"

Yeah. I think you literally just denied my right to exist Vicki. You fucking bigot.

Also thank you #stickerwoman

This was excellent radio. Thank you Julia.

Michael, Ray Blanchard and the transwidow escape committee are all in accord.