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Penises in the women's locker rooms

106 replies

VickyEadie · 20/08/2018 11:16

www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/98rfd3/askt_post_finally_let_myself_be_completely_naked/

So pleased this penis-holder felt "liberated".

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TheCountryGirl · 20/08/2018 16:33

I know Errol. Ffs does this crank not hear himself? Female with a penis ffs! And people actually humour this garbage?

ErrolTheDragon · 20/08/2018 16:20

we are females it’s just our parts grow outward not inwards

Oh ffs. Do they seriously not understand sexual dimorphism and that 'female' refers to physical sex?

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 20/08/2018 16:12

It's worth looking at the comments on the thread by the penis-holder. ALL non-supportive ones have been removed (including, apparently, ones by other transwomen objecting on the grounds that this intimidates women).

This is why the transpeople who see this as wrong need to see that they are contributing to the problem. It is not possible to allow the male transpeople who would act appropriately in and keep the ones that don't, out.

FeminaSum · 20/08/2018 16:03

From the comments:

"Congrats females should get use to it because we are females it’s just our parts grow outward not inwards."

No. Words mean things.

I used to attend women-only swimming sessions. If someone like this individual turned up, I and most of the other women would have left.

OctaviaOctober · 20/08/2018 16:03

He says he loves his body - so penis and all, presumably. No dysphoria there then.

That's what I thought. I was led to believe that the root of this issue was someone feeling distressed that their outer appearance doesn't match up with the identity they have in their heads. It makes me sick to think this person is getting admiration for strutting around a women's changing room with their knob out.

But we are in Emperor's New Clothes territory. Mustn't tell the truth. We must protect the fantasy at all costs...

VickyEadie · 20/08/2018 15:57

However, allowing any male person into female only spaces makes this scenario a very real possibility. Something we are expected to pretend won't happen, or if it does, is no big deal.

What's more, even if it didn't happen, claiming it did encourages les autres - doesn't it?

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ZuttZeVootEeVro · 20/08/2018 15:47

Magpiesarehuge

Just because someone posted it, it doesn’t mean it actually happened. I’m cynical.

I agree. Reddit is full of fantasists and men writing out their sexual fantasies for their own and other people's gratification.

However, allowing any male person into female only spaces makes this scenario a very real possibility. Something we are expected to pretend won't happen, or if it does, is no big deal.

Ereshkigal · 20/08/2018 15:45

And as for the other transwomen in the thread objecting. What did they expect? Seriously? This is the guaranteed outcome of men gleefully removing women's boundaries.

This. It's pure male dominance display to intimidate women for men who get a sexual kick out of that. That's what they and all their dumb handmaidens and woke bros have enabled.

scalliondays · 20/08/2018 15:37

Well done borntobequiet - I heard that on radio 4 driving to work and cheered! It was spot on. Telling as well that, if I remember correctly, you understandably asked for your name not to be read out.

borntobequiet · 20/08/2018 15:10

This is the email I sent to Any Answers a few weeks ago when the subject came up. I was pleased they read it out:
Last week I visited the gym. I showered and changed in the women's changing room, an open space with benches and hooks for clothes, but no cubicles. Showers have flimsy curtains.
In the changing room with me were two girls aged 12-13. There was no one else. I am a 65 year old woman, but with gender self ID I could have been a predatory fully male bodied man - no surgery or hormone treatment - simply claiming to be a woman in order to access women's spaces. It is known that these predatory men enter professions that give them access to vulnerable people, so why shouldn't we believe that such a man would use gender self-ID to do this?

I have granddaughters and I am concerned for their safety if proposed changes to the GRA are implemented. I have sympathy for those individuals suffering from gender dysphoria and feel they should be given appropriate medical help, but their rights should not be prioritised over those of women and girls.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/08/2018 14:55

I don't think I've ever seen a woman deliberately standing naked in front of a mirror in a communal women's changing room... is this a thing which women do?Confused

Charliethefeminist · 20/08/2018 14:53

Definitely what an exhibitionist would do.

Toddlerteaplease · 20/08/2018 14:50

The deliberately being naked in front of the mirror rings alarm bells more than anything. Why would you do that deliberately.

Charliethefeminist · 20/08/2018 14:32

Legalised indecent exposure and voyeurusm. No wonder there are no problems reported in Ireland and Argentina. What's to report? No crimes committed here. Make a complaint and you are the criminal.

Theswaggyotter · 20/08/2018 14:32

It keeps coming back to this, as Posie put previously. Does an 11 year old girl have the right to not have to see an adult male penis in the female changing rooms? (Admittedly she worded it better than me!)

HavingALittleBabyToolshed · 20/08/2018 14:22

I emailed my gym to clarify their position on this situation. I made it clear that sharing a changing space with someone of the opposite sex was against my religion (which is protected under law) and I would need to cancel my membership if this was part of their policy.

Reader, my gym are phoning me back.

BraveAndStunning · 20/08/2018 13:53

This is what happens when we object to penis in the changing room

Penises in the women's locker rooms
Penises in the women's locker rooms
Penises in the women's locker rooms
ShotsFired · 20/08/2018 13:38

I also kinda wish this had been posted in Chat or AIBU or something, not hidden away here. (The poster thread seems to be reaching a good audience.)

ShotsFired · 20/08/2018 13:37

I couldn't move on that thread for the sheer staggeringly massive levels of male entitlement. Angry

Just FUCK OFF.

BlytheByName · 20/08/2018 13:31

This will be our reality too if we don't push back, vocally and decisively.
If those women had reported flashing, what could the gym have done?

MipMipMip · 20/08/2018 13:29

Good idea Errol.

MipMipMip · 20/08/2018 13:29

Please post this in Chat or AIBU. As a PP said this is sure to peak trans some. And despite what certain posters over there claim not everyone on MumsNet is knowledgeable about this.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/08/2018 13:29

Maybe someone should start a thread for cataloging 'things, which women predicted would happen that they said would never happen, happened'?

Cocolepew · 20/08/2018 13:20

What a filthy human being.
My dad was at the gym last week when 3 men came in, one of them started kicking my dads gym bag around the changing room.
My dad is 75 but is still pretty fit and isn't scared of anyone.
Upshot is he made the man bring it back and made him say "sorry sir".
But what if that had been my DD? How intimating and scary it would be?

whatnow123 · 20/08/2018 13:11

This is insanity. I'm disagree with a lot of feminist issue and arguments. However, I keep reading about the trans issue with increasing dismay. I can generally disagree with people but understand that their viewpoint is valid. On this I can't.

Women don't have penises.

Someone freely walking about, in a womans changing room with their penis out should be arrested. This isnt difficult.