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Penises in the women's locker rooms

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VickyEadie · 20/08/2018 11:16

www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/98rfd3/askt_post_finally_let_myself_be_completely_naked/

So pleased this penis-holder felt "liberated".

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MrGHardy · 21/08/2018 17:26

"What's that theory about making your lies so outlandish people actually believe them more readily?"

"Trumpism (but you need to repeat it 100 times)"

Saw Trevor Noah the other day on Trump publicly saying his AG "should" stop the investigation. He was saying that if he had done it in private and people found out, it would have been seen as clear evidence of obstruction of justice. But out in the open, he somehow gets away with it.

I think Trump and TRAs employ the same methods, to a very large degree.

Datun · 21/08/2018 13:27

It will definitely need a core of women in the female changing to object. By walking into the male changing room and changing there.

Even if the management got arsey, the resulting public furore would be beneficial.

I realise this is what ManFriday is all about, and it would only take two or three angry women on the day.

ErrolTheDragon · 21/08/2018 13:18

Me too. I don't know how men behave ... maybe some of them are less concerned about privacy but somehow I doubt that changing in front of the mirror is normal behaviour in their locker rooms either.

UndercoverGC · 21/08/2018 13:15

I quite agree.
Point was that this man was absolutely not behaving like a woman using changing rooms to get changed. He was being a man flashing his penis at women.

VickyEadie · 21/08/2018 13:05

I'm generally quite relaxed about communal changing, from years of sport.

Me too. If I know for certain only women are going to be in there, that is.

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ShotsFired · 21/08/2018 13:05

There's also freedom of choice and an element of "all in this together" in that sort of situation, @UndercoverGC.

But in single sex environments, then just one single person of the opposite sex deliberately putting themselves in there without the agreement of all the natal sex makes it 100% mixed sex, by force/overriding the wishes of the majority.

It's not like homeopathy where the effect is absolutely neglible.

UndercoverGC · 21/08/2018 12:59

I'm generally quite relaxed about communal changing, from years of sport.
In a communal changing area, if I need to be fully naked, then I face the wall and avoid eye contact. It's not about feeling ashamed of my own body, but giving other people some privacy. Like a crowded commuter train.
I have never stood in front of a mirror naked in a changing room to look at myself, nor have I seen other women do this. If I needed to sort out personal grooming, I'd put at least my underwear on first.

VickyEadie · 21/08/2018 12:00

Just to add to my story above - this is not the first gym I've belonged to in which this happens. Two years ago I was alone in the changing room when a male cleaner entered - this was at about 11am.

I complained and got a load of guff about how sometimes they don't get all the cleaning done before operational hours start, blah blah (this was a gym that opened at 6am, I should add).

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VickyEadie · 21/08/2018 11:57

So far thats not happened at the gym I go to, but I wonder how it would be handled?

I don't think it would be "handled" at all. I had a dispute a while ago with a gym I was using because male staff kept entering the women's changing room during operational hours for various reasons. They'd knock first and call "Can I come in?", but as I said repeatedly, if a woman were in the shower and no-one else in the room (as often happens when I'm there), she wouldn't hear. I told them it was wrong and they shouldn't do it.

Took me weeks to get them to agree that only female staff would, in future, enter the room during operational hours.

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Gran22 · 21/08/2018 09:06

I read this yesterday. I'm an older woman who accepts that a small minority of men feel the need to become women. However, I'm struggling with those whose 'need' is limited to only wearing women's clothes. Walking through town, just after I read it I passed two men, who were quite intimidating looking, the way they spoke and their expressions. They were both very masculine facially and in build, and they were dressed in female style clothing. It struck me how uncomfortable I'd feel in a communal women's changing room if either of them were there.

So far thats not happened at the gym I go to, but I wonder how it would be handled?

WomanInBoots · 21/08/2018 08:54

My experience of communal open plan changing rooms is of women getting changed modestly under towels or more freely but within their own space... maybe one every so often doing naked wandering but very, very rare. I don't think I've ever seen a woman go and admire her naked self in a communal mirror. Most people seem to get the "being naked" part of the changing process over with as quickly as possible.

The thing is, even if the incident described in the reddit post didn't actually happen, it is a disturbing fantasy that is waiting to become reality very quickly.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 21/08/2018 07:54

Trumpism (but you need to repeat it 100 times)

ShotsFired · 21/08/2018 07:03

@Popchyk This guy reckoned his protein shakes made him confused so he entered the women's changing room at a gym, took off all his clothes and groped a woman there.

What's that theory about making your lies so outlandish people actually believe them more readily? Angry

Datun · 21/08/2018 03:52

GenderTrender link to this person's instagram on their site. (In the comments about sticker woman). As Bewilderness says, they have form.

They haven't been arrested SarahAr so that contradicts your theory.

MrGHardy · 20/08/2018 23:26

Nothing to see here, never happens, isn't actually really trans anyway, is super brave for feeling free in the women's, penis is female, stop the transphobic bigotry.

Popchyk · 20/08/2018 22:54

metro.co.uk/2017/10/23/man-claims-he-groped-woman-in-gym-changing-room-because-of-his-protein-shakes-7020846/

This guy reckoned his protein shakes made him confused so he entered the women's changing room at a gym, took off all his clothes and groped a woman there.

Ereshkigal · 20/08/2018 22:28

TWAW functions to eliminate any crime of exposure or voyeurism in women’s spaces.

It does.

LangCleg · 20/08/2018 19:59

A quick Google suggests this may not be entirely true.

And when it comes to those mixed sex "changing villages", reports are endless. Try searching something like [voyeur leisure centre]. Pages upon pages.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 20/08/2018 19:50

I didn't look at the photos... I have heard the phrase used for folks who don't do any 'body work'.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/08/2018 19:49

Documented penis incidents in changing rooms in the UK in last ten years - none

A quick Google suggests this may not be entirely true.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/620851/Alisdair-John-Wilson-teacher-career-ruins-naked-in-changing-rooms/amp

www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/shopper-flashed-at-girl-in-holli-a63394/

Just the 1st couple of results...

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/08/2018 19:46

Sorry but I'm a bit thick. If a man has a man's body - how has he transitioned to anything?

This individual has also posted nude pics of themselves on Reddit. They appear to have a generally feminine body (breasts, hips, facial feminisation surgery(?) ) but also retain their penis.

Materialist · 20/08/2018 19:41

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AsAProfessionalFekko · 20/08/2018 19:33

Or a mannequin - or Mrs Bates...?

ErrolTheDragon · 20/08/2018 19:28

Or a painted 2-d backdrop?

AsAProfessionalFekko · 20/08/2018 19:25

Ever feel like a lowly 'extra' in someone else's life drama?

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