Autism survey and cisgender

Well at least some people are told they can identify however they choose.

Strangely the one group this applies to is cunty women who are middle aged and have ??? around the whole thing - we are not allowed to pick our own identity and instead are TOLD that we are cis, and further that we are straight, white, middle class, privileged, prudish, etc etc

Funny isn't it that the exhortion that "Your identity is up to you! Don't let anyone else tell you who you are!" doesn't seem to apply to everyone

There are many definitions for cis knocking around.

How can people be asked if they are something if there is no agreement as to what it even means.

That's the situation with all of this though - we are told that terms mean "whatever they mean to you".

This is no way to gather meaningful statistics!

"Cis woman isn't used against me. It doesn't even mean I identify as girly. It just means I was born female and am still female."

In that case, the word 'cis' applies to absolutely everyone.

Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

In humans (and the overwhelming majority of species) it is not possible for a female to become male or a male to become female. All those born female are still female.

PerverseConverse I was upset the first time I was called transphobic, but honestly, we are being called transphobic for stating basic biological facts and not putting men's feelings above women's safety, privacy and dignity. Saying 'women do not have penises' is apparently transphobic. The word has been rendered completely meaningless.

Meanwhile, the actual transphobes - homophobic men who physically harm other men because they look feminine - don't get a fraction of the criticism that feminists do. It makes you think.

We tried embracing the pejorative 'bitch' back in the seventies and you can see what that got us.
Refusing to embrace the pejorative labels men call women when we tell them no seems a wise choice to me.

I think that if people were not so caught up in virtue signaling they would recognize that they are participating in an extreme othering campaign of Orwellian proportions.

You aren't wrong, PerverseConverse

I'd just give them their last sentence back. If you were somehow born with a gendered ladybrain to match your genitalia and make you cis, good for you, but don't assume that anyone else was!

I'd also take issue with 'their reality' because there is only one objective reality. It's true that there are trans people and some (but not all) of them suffer from dysphoria. It doesn't follow on from this that they literally have a gendered brain or soul that somehow ended up in the wrong sort of body. That is a belief. Disagreeing with it is on the same level as 'denying the reality' of someone who believes that everyone has an guardian angel watching over them. They're entitled to believe it. They're not entitled to insist that I have to believe it too, or pretend to, in case it hurts their feelings.

(I think that someone who genuinely believed in angels probably wouldn't be hurt by someone politely disagreeing. Someone who was trying to convince themselves of the idea, however...)

If 'they' are asking if you consider yourself cis gender, they should give you options not to be that too. It's logical.

Well, at least it was a set of different options and you could put No to them all - I would have, as I don't 'identify' as any of those categories. Though wtf with 'identifying' as neurodivergent or disabled... aren't those things you get diagnosed as? and with the LGBT+ ... surely the LG and B are what you are not something you 'identify' as.

"I'm not sure what sexuality has to do with autism"

I am sure someone who knows more can supply a more detailed answer, but in short by now in some places, 1/3 children presenting to gender clinics are autistic girls apparently. I have seen some highlighting this problem on twitter and being very concerned about autistic children right now. I assume sexuality is similar. I am fuzzy on the reason behind this, so I don't want to give one that is wrong, I am sure someone else knows.

That last part is just pathetic, because yes, the way you describe it, it sounds not just not friendly, but actively autism unfriendly.

"cisgender. The other choices were LGBT+, neurodivergent or disabled."

What if you are gay and and don't believe in gender trash..yes I agree how stupid this cisgender option is, and offensive, but even the question doesn't make sense.

These people are mental. Really mental. I was talking to one twitter just now. I am at a loss at how these people think.

Don't know you're FB name, but scrolled down a bit & 'liked' some comments that may have been yours...?

No just checked & it's still there - only comment that's been made is by another autistic woman (a close friend of mine irl who's pretty much GC, though not generally vocal about it) - she's just added 'yep'

Couldn't resist it, just posted on the FB thread:

"It's odd that you asked about 'gender', but not about sex - I'm a biological female with no experience whatsoever of 'gender identity', and have only experienced gender as an oppressive, socially constructed set of expectations based on 'femininity', so had to leave that question blank. It's because I've had life-long experience of 'gender' as an oppressive construct that I also had to tick that I'm not 'cis-gender' - while my embodied reality is 100% biologically female, I never have & never will identify with the gendered (ie 'feminine') expectations/oppression that are associated with being born female, so 'cis', 'trans' 'non-binary' are all equally irrelevant - my biological sex is the only relevant factor, yet your survey failed to capture that most basic information about me..."

I filled this survey out yesterday and also felt offended at being forced to choose cisgender, so I chose none. Glad to see others felt the same. No one in the world wants to be told what they are against their wishes. I am not cisgender, I am a woman. I am female. That's it.

I understand there is a higher prevalence of transgender people in the autism community and so they are trying to use inclusive language but it's still not on.

I will go to the fb page to see the comments and add my own.

I tried to fill this in for my son and I was so angry at the cis gender question I abandoned the whole thing. I'm glad there's a thread about this. They are really pushing the trans and autism thing and it is terrifying for those of us with vulnerable children. I will not label myself cisgender or ciswoman ever.

well you can identify as whatever you feel like, irrespective of what you are,

so feel free to press those buttons more or less at random

After all, some trans people are identifying as cis now as they have always been women.

Renders equalities stats meaningless but hey ho. Thats' the entire point I think (pesky minoroities / oppressed groups being seen by we all know who as getting "special treatement" and why can't I? oh - that's how - now I can!).