Is it a crime to say women don't have penises: James Kirkup article

Erstwhile trans people now identifying as non-binary is growing, largely because of a push to protect the NB identity under the law. A lawyer advising the government on this has said openly there are very few gaps in the law protecting the trans umbrella. One of these 'gaps' is the protection of NB and offering it legal status. That's why we are seeing NB here, there and everywhere. It's part of the PR project to give visibility to a frankly risible belief system. Most people who aren't vested in this either way can have a vague, fudged idea and sympathy over 'born in the wrong body'. But NB tends to provoke more puzzlement and cynicism. So hence the PR drive.

Glad to see Fox and Owl have made such profound comments to Prick News...are they the go to non binaries these days? I think they must be( answers own question)

They've got a book out for teens, you know! All this entirely selfless press interaction has nothing to do with making a few quid out of vulnerable kids.

They will not sell the Sun there because of Hillsborough so I don't see any change of labour rule in Liverpool.

They can hate on females and still get elected.

What I don't get about fox and owl is why go through the ops to trans their bodies to look as much like the opposite sex as possible to then be non binary. They are still adhering to gender stereotypes anyway.

The Mayor loves everyone except biological women.

Bellend.

I'm just really upset that Fox and Owl aren't another fake 70s comedy double act (like Fish and Chips). They really need to tour Yorkshire working men's clubs before breaking out on New Faces...

Well, let's face it, nothing says inclusive to the point of ridiculousness like asking Enbys called Fox and Owl to sound condescendingly outraged about cartoon penises.

^I'm sure I c&p ed similar quotes from a PN article by them last week too.
It's a bit bizarre the claim that they make about access to the media given the amount of media that they both have.^

YY. I'm wondering if they live in the PN office.

take action against such disgusting and reductive statements

Well, I am pretty glad that I gave away the anatomy and physiology book that I used for my degree then, seeing that it is full of nonsense. Lucky escape there I think.

I'm sure I c&p ed similar quotes from a PN article by them last week too.
It's a bit bizarre the claim that they make about access to the media given the amount of media that they both have.

Both regularly comment on trans and non-binary issues.

www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/homophobic-biphobic-and-transphobic-hate-crime-prosecution-guidance

The sticking of the sticker is the crime (vandalism, littering)

They would have to know it was you. Otherwise it's massively tenuous. There's no offence of incitement to hatred with transphobia unlike racism.

www.galop.org.uk/transphobic-article-in-the-observer/

Glad to see Fox and Owl have made such profound comments to Prick News...are they the go to non binaries these days? I think they must be( answers own question)

Also, for those who haven't been. The statues at Crosby beach are dressed up regularly. I think the reason they stayed at Crosby rather than been relocated to another place (as planned) was how much they were embraced by people living or visiting them. A lot was talked at the time about the interactions between people and the statues.

For anyone hoping that there might be a court case etc against someone who sticks a sticker on them, they are likely to be disappointed! Also the statues are submerged regularly by the tide.

Have I got this right?

Yes, I think that's about it!

Gormley speaks about his motivation in this program from 2000:
www.bbc.co.uk/archive/sculptors/12808.shtml

There have been a lot of articles since when he talks about it with regards the true-scale sculptures.

More congrats chollo- twatter is losing its collective mind and you have really helped to ramp up the stickerwoman publicity. It would be great if it could be clearer that the sticker campaign is in progress across the country - more media interest and a few national bites to raise awareness that this is a political response to women losing rights, not anti-trans, would be awesome.
You ladies are all ace.

hackmum
Yes, the Angel of the North is also cast based on his proportions (and with wings added!)

R0wantrees: I didn't know that! That's very funny.

And lol at Melanippe.

Truly we are through the looking-glass...

hack, it’s just fine for children to see a cast of Gormley’s actual penis, but if you put a sticker on it to factually point out that women don’t have penises, it’s likely to be deeply traumatising to children.

Hackman They are all him! All his statues comes from a cast of his body. Its an interesting question but would be specifically, 'is his/her penis female?'

I'd be curious to know what Antony Gormley thinks of it all. Does he think the statues he put on Crosby beach are all men? Or could those be female penises on the statues?

Agree we need legal advice.
As I said on the the other thread, as absolute bollocks as this all is, look what happened to Posie.
I'm not that worried for myself, I've got a job but it's not a career.
Can't believe the police are actually taking this seriously. Strange times.
#iamstickerwoman

I think that we need a lawyer's advice - if there are any lawyers out there...
From my own experience, I have decided that I will say nothing if caught and immediately demand a lawyer.
Once you say anything to the police they will just dig and dig until they get something to latch on to.
My understanding is that, unless you are arrested, you don't have to talk to them at all.
I would chip in for anyone who can't afford a lawyer. I'm sure lots of us would.
Don't be put off by scaremongering though. They have to know that this will go stratospheric if they try.

If they prosecute me for fly-posting, they'll also have to prosecute the owner who has put up lots of A4 posters about her missing cat today too.

And the circus owners - they even know their names.

Pink News have stated that that the mayor has both 'pledged' and 'vowed' to remove the stickers as well as identifying those responsible.

Additionally both Owl and Fox have been quoted (again) calling for allies etc
(extracts)
"Owl, a non-binary trans activist and filmmaker, told PinkNews: “It is good to see that the mayor is taking a clear stance against the divisive and misguided action of a small but vocal hate group.

“People might not consider some stickers serious, but they are a part of a bigger context and a pattern of transphobia that has risen exponentially for the last year.

“Transphobic groups are taking action, and are constantly getting a platform in the media to spread misinformation and incite discrimination against a vulnerable group of people. We need our allies to stand up for us and condemn these constant attacks against the trans community.”

"Fox Fisher, a non-binary trans activist and filmmaker , said: “It’s more important than ever that our allies take action against such disgusting and reductive statements."

Liverpool Resisters:
“Our stickers are aimed at raising awareness of the potential threat to sex-based rights and women’s rights from the proposed changes,” the Liverpool ReSisters’s press release reads.

“Women and girls need spaces of their own for a variety of reasons, but principally because we continue to face male violence and harassment in public and in private spaces.”

It adds: “Women don’t have penises. This is not hate speech, it is not transphobia, it is a simple statement of biological fact.”