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When did you become aware ...

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buckingfrolicks · 17/08/2018 19:06

How old were you and what happened, to make you aware that you were not in a female-safe world? I can't remember when it dawned on me, but at some point growing up I must have realised that eg I had to be careful out as a 7/8/9 year old.

I've been thinking about this while out for a walk alone, and recognising that I am just "aware" that I'm vulnerable, a single woman out walking. And then I thought as a young girl I must have had a moment when it dawned on me that I was female, and that the world was less open or open at the cost of chronic low key vigilance. My DB never had this shift I'm sure.

This may make no sense to anyone. Im curious though if anyone has a clearer memory of this.

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Truthmytruth · 19/08/2018 00:43

That button wasn’t available to us when we were teens. I’m sure we would have all hit it if we could. Now that the button is so easily pushed and out there, it maybe makes sense to them. I am so angry with the trans narrative for doing this especially as it leads to medical and surgery changes that are irreversible. If this wasn’t part of the steps, I would not be so scared for our kids. They would just be teens who rebelled. Kids who come through it , just like us without being a lifelong medical patient.

BitOfFun · 19/08/2018 00:37

About 12. I couldn't walk down a main road without cars beeping at me and getting comments shouted from their windows.

Truthmytruth · 19/08/2018 00:34

Any wonder our teen girls try to be guys. This is their mental defence mechanism. Escapism etc. It’s so obvious to us.

Truthmytruth · 19/08/2018 00:27

About 10/11. My community warned us about the ‘dirty old man’ who spends his day in the woods and tries to ensnare young girls. There was even a rhyme dedicated to him so we would all sing it when he tried to call us over. Sadly some girls succumbed. Don’t know what happened to him but by the time I was 14 the woods were a much safer place. He assaulted two friends of mine. I didn’t know until I was older.
Once I started to physically mature at age 13, the comments made to me and my friends reinforced we were just objects. Even just walking down the street was horrendous.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 19/08/2018 00:05

I had a very violent step father who ended up going to prison for four years which was the maximum sentence for violence towards children then

Regarding sexual violence or the threat of it towards myself from about the age of 8 just the way an uncle cuddled me made me feel very uncomfortable and I only realised years later we were never left alone with him but he still got the chance for the odd inappropriate touch/tickle

buckingfrolicks · 18/08/2018 23:34

Pot that's it exactly - feeling the difference between being seen as female, and being seen as a person/gender irrelevant/male.

I remember being on my bike in the back lanes for hours as a kid, and then one day just being aware that it was, or I was, unsafe, that I felt scared. And feeling so angry that I could no longer bike outside without having to put that extra work in to overcome the fear. So biking outside was no longer pure pleasure.

Same with just walking to the shops

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Potplant2 · 18/08/2018 07:33

Thinking about this question has made me sad. I was raised by a very misogynistic father and cowed mother, and I can’t remember a time when I didn’t “know” that women were weak and inferior and always at risk because of being omlyvreally objects for men to control and play with. When I was about 10 I had a very short haircut and I remember the relief and freedom of people often thinking me to be a boy. That only lasted until I grew breasts, but I loved it while it did.

Sarahconnor1 · 18/08/2018 07:16

NotMeOhNo

Of course women are a threat. Violent women are on the rise too, it's evident in the national crime statistics!

If gender identity rather than sex is being used to record crime stats then it's not surprising we are seeing a rise in stats for women committing violence.

www.change.org/p/charge-a-crime-as-a-male-crime-according-to-uk-law-not-by-self-identified-gender

TheDowagerCuntess · 18/08/2018 07:06

Thanks PeakPants.

PeakPants · 18/08/2018 06:34

Vicky is a well known MRA on these boards, famous for starting a long thread about how BBC Women's Hour discriminates against men. She also seems to be pretty thick and homophobic to boot. I guess some people just have it all. Probably best to ignore her.

BlueJava · 18/08/2018 05:25

I was about 10 years old. This man used to come out into the fields where we used to play and talk to us. I treated him as any other person and saw him as no different to say an uncle. But my mum said I must never sit down alone with him, try not to talk to him and never go anywhere with him. I didn't understand why and it really puzzled me.

NotMeOhNo · 18/08/2018 05:22

Of course women are a threat. Violent women are on the rise too, it's evident in the national crime statistics!

TheDowagerCuntess · 18/08/2018 04:39

I've noted your username now - wonder how many other violent women you will post about, in your quest to let us all know that ' women can be a threat too'.

Or name change to do it...

TheDowagerCuntess · 18/08/2018 04:35

Gosh Vicky1990 - a violent ex-sister-in-law (on the other thread) and a sexually abusive aunt.

Unlucky you.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 18/08/2018 04:02

Walking to school when I was about 7 and a man stopped me to ask what I had under my clothes.

WaddIelikeapenguin · 17/08/2018 23:50

Whiskeyjar Flowers

Aged about 10 - one of the farm hands put his arm round my shoulder & groped my breast as he waved to my father at the far side of the field & his daughter (my friend) stood on the other side of him.

buckingfrolicks · 17/08/2018 22:43

Oh god I'd totally forgotten about the dirty calls. Yes - that confusion suddenly congealing into disgust panic and fear. About 7 maybe.

At 3 a man exposed himself to a group of us kids in a wood - i was the youngest, and just thought he was a mad man rather than a sexual threatener.

It's one of those weights that society puts on women, as they grow out of childhood, to carry. Invisible shackles. (respecting that too many girls and boys don't have a anything close to a safe childhood).

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KellyMarieTunstall2 · 17/08/2018 21:21

I realised when I was 12, an ice cream man in his van exposed himself to me. I was happily oblivious of any threat or danger until that day.

TheWineDarkSea · 17/08/2018 21:14

The first I remember is the dirty phone call that rang on the landline as I walked into the empty house after school, commenting on my (primary school) uniform, asking about my pants and telling me not to tell anyone what he asked me.

Must have been a neighbour who had seen me walk in. My parents still live in that house.

PeakPants · 17/08/2018 21:09

I want people to know that females can be a threat as well.

Course you do, love, course you do.

arranfan · 17/08/2018 21:07

Far too early. Likewise that even those adults related to me felt no responsibility for making the world safer or (later) preparing me appropriately for it because they accepted that that state of affairs was immutable and merely reality for girls/women. (Tied in with what now strikes me as frankly wilful blindness to the reality of what was happening around them.)

IHATEPeppaPig · 17/08/2018 21:02

Vicky Hmm is this along the same lines of NAMALT...

Aged 6 unfortunately.

FruitOnAPlatter · 17/08/2018 20:45

Honestly I was fairly oblivious that it happened mostly to females for a very long time.

In fact, I don't think it was until I met my current partner in my late 20s and had this sort of conversation, and realised he didn't think about this stuff, that he hadn't ever experienced flashing/groping/rape. Which is ridiculous when I think about it - because of course they were groping my boobs, flashing at girl-children, and raping women (the vast majority of men being heterosexual)

During my teens/20s I was first sheltered, and then strongly identified as fearless, so refused to think about my boyfriend raping me, how dangerous it was to talk to randoms (I remember being proud I walked a guy home once - when I spoke to my mates they were horrified, and I was clearly lucky the guy I walked wasn't a bad one).

LaContessaDiPlump · 17/08/2018 20:39

I lived in Saudi Arabia as a small child, with an Arab parent; I can't remember a time when I DIDN'T know that females were at risk from males and that we had to protect ourselves (plus that it would be our fault if we didn't). It was proper mother's milk stuff.

Theinconstantgardener · 17/08/2018 20:35

Whiskeyjar
So sorry that happened to youFlowers

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