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Have WEP ever condemned violence and threats against women?

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SanctimoniousMorph · 16/08/2018 09:21

I'm talking in relation to the threats and actual violence directed to gender critical women.

I am aware that they hold a different stance on this issue but it is still possible to condemn violence against women who hold a different view from your own - and the motivation for these threats and the violence is definitely misogynistic. Men who express similar views - and even men who are actually abusive towards and attack trans people - are not subject to the same abuse. The nature of the threats (e.g. explicit, detailed threats of sexual violence against female bodies) are misogynistic. And it is part of a pattern where women receive rape and death threats for attempting to take part in politicial life.

I know one branch of WEP has openly supported the perpetrator of the assault on Maria MacLachlan, which I find even more abhorrent than their TWAW line. Have WEP as an organisation condemned violence against women (including those whose views they disagree with)?

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2018 11:14

WEP: Hi were are the Women's Equality Party
Woman: So how are you different to other parties?
WEP: We stand for Women and Equality.
Woman: Yes and....
WEP: We are lead by women for women.
Woman: ...but how?
WEP: We believe in feminism
Woman: Like I said, what does that mean?
WEP: Well transwomen are women and face oppression.
Woman: Er... thats not centring women. You aren't any different to the other parties.
WEP: Errr, er we'll have a debate then.
Woman: Now about those women's issues what is your position
WEP: Whilst ruffling paper and on googling for some shiny, trendy slogan which seems vaguely feminist
We stand for Women's Equality. Gender Pay Gap. Child Care. Er...
Woman: So you are full of empty vacious sentiments which have very little real connection with key issues that women - particularly disadvantaged women - face. You just sound like a nice idea.
WEP: We are feminists!!!
tumbleweed

arranfan · 15/09/2018 11:02

When asked about why they liked the Tweet, WEP Lambeth further stated:

I really don't want more social media (never had FB, Twiter etc.) but - I can't see if anyone has asked Lambeth recently if they still stand by this?

My COI here is that Lambeth & Heather are why I gave up on WEP despite being a founding member.

PersistenceIsNotFutile · 15/09/2018 08:24

Well that puts paid to any fledgling support I may have had for WEP.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 15/09/2018 08:16

No party has come out and condemned violence against women Hmm. We need our own.

(PS - to the pp denying the brick incident, the whole downstairs of the building is the Labour office. I know there are weird conspiracy theories that about 3,978 businesses occupy the premises but they really don't)

GulagMilkMonitor · 15/09/2018 08:08

The WEP is such a waste of energy. It makes me quite cross every time I watch Bake Off.

Ha, this!

I think we should be asking a lot more questions about a political party supporting a person who battered a woman and was rightly convicted.
Which big names support WEP and are they on Twitter?

Some nice tweets with a screenshot of that Lambeth tweet could get this some exposure.

Hey @Sandi (is she on Twitter?) have you any comment on @ WEP placing their backing behind a person who physically attacked a 60yo woman? @ gbbo @ channel4 @ dailymail @ someone

Who would be interested in this?
JBH?
Jeremy Vine?
Andrew Gilligan?
Hadley Freeman?
James Kirkup?
David Davis?
Sophie Walker?

Shampooeeee · 15/09/2018 07:11

The WEP is such a waste of energy. It makes me quite cross every time I watch Bake Off.

Ereshkigal · 15/09/2018 01:03

What?? I was thinking of joining...I've suddenly changed my mind. Is this really true? Which branch and is there any online evidence, SanctimoniousMorph ?

Yes. It was Lambeth branch.

twitter.com/Lfoxx_cdr/status/984519329537560576?s=20

bd67th · 15/09/2018 00:55

Angela did not like threats against her by pro Corbyn people that put a brick in her window.

It wasn't even her window, it was a window into a stairwell on the other side of the building, and there's no evidence it was Corbynites and not just drunks from the nearby pub.

Staffori · 15/09/2018 00:43

Sorry to bump this old thread up but I came across it when searching for threads on the WEP.

"I know one branch of WEP has openly supported the perpetrator of the assault on Maria MacLachlan"

What?? I was thinking of joining...I've suddenly changed my mind. Is this really true? Which branch and is there any online evidence, SanctimoniousMorph ?

hackmum · 16/08/2018 12:02

There was this decent piece from Tom Harris in the Telegraph about All Women Shortlists, which mentioned some of the abuse women have been getting:

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/08/radical-transgender-politics-imposed-labours-women-no-debate/

Ereshkigal · 16/08/2018 11:47

Thank you. Really good to watch her.

NameChangedAgain18 · 16/08/2018 11:39

This is the Hansard text, Eagle’s interjection is not recorded:

hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2018-07-03/debates/FA46FE2B-7360-4B42-93D9-D42997870F47/LGBTActionPlan

The video clip is here:

parliamentlive.tv/event/index/09641ce3-8d86-489b-a1e9-d0d049e66fc4?in=13:53:01&out=13:55

Ereshkigal · 16/08/2018 11:20

Thanks Charlie.

Charliethefeminist · 16/08/2018 11:20

Does hansard record that kind of interjection

Charliethefeminist · 16/08/2018 11:19

I saw the clip and you couldn't see her, I heard indistinct shouting off mic. The clip is available somewhere.

Ereshkigal · 16/08/2018 11:14

What did Angela say?

Charliethefeminist · 16/08/2018 10:54

It's fawning over men, is all.

IAmNotAntiWomen · 16/08/2018 10:50

I stand corrected, yes Caroline asked a question and Angela shouted over her.

Angela did not like threats against her by pro Corbyn people that put a brick in her window.

Angela will defend three six foot three male bodied people in their 20s who wants to punch a 60 yo women or their allies who threaten, then accumulate bomb making equipment, yes Angela goes on the attack to Caroline for condemming the behaviour. Hmm

scepticalwoman · 16/08/2018 10:50

So MPs like Angela Eagle are actually silencing complaints about violence against women? Nice.

Charliethefeminist · 16/08/2018 10:48

Very self-righteous person.

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 16/08/2018 10:46

I knew it was a labour women mp that "heckled" Caroline Flint, but I didn't know it was Angela Eagle. Though I'm not surprised.

Charliethefeminist · 16/08/2018 10:41

Angela Eagle huh.

Ereshkigal · 16/08/2018 10:39

Yes, Caroline Flint too. Very brave of her. Thanks

NameChangedAgain18 · 16/08/2018 10:35

I can't think of one single politician apart from David Davies MP and the Labour Cllr from Cambridge that condemmed the violence against women.

Caroline Flint has. She voiced this concern about the abuse women have faced on this issue in the House of Commons. Angela Eagle tried to shout her down.

Ereshkigal · 16/08/2018 10:26

I hope one day these cowards and instigators will be called to account for this.