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DM: Women avoiding new gender neutral toilets in the home office because men can't close the door

162 replies

miri1985 · 16/08/2018 02:17

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6065075/Female-Home-Office-employees-refusing-use-new-36-000-gender-neutral-toilets.html

Great job wasting money as usual!

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Disfordarkchocolate · 16/08/2018 06:36

I've just been to Denmark where nearly all the public toilets I used were gender neutral. It was odd at first but fine. In a work situation I would much prefer single toilets with no shared space that can be used by anyone.

HeyToTheHo · 16/08/2018 06:33

Oh and our move to unisex toilets wasn’t a trans thing, it was a better use of space thing

HeyToTheHo · 16/08/2018 06:32

You = use

HeyToTheHo · 16/08/2018 06:32

Cross posted with you Trans
I think that woman is speaking nonsense. Unisex toilets are easily made safe spaces. Ours are separate ‘rooms’ for each loo, with basin, dryer and sanitary bin in each loo. There is a small corridor connecting all the loo rooms to the main office (so the loo doors dont open only the office directly IYSWIM)
Perfectly private and safe, its just Bob from accounts might be then next one to you a particular loo after I do. Saves space in our office - much more efficient use of space

HeyToTheHo · 16/08/2018 06:28

I haven’t read the article, but we have unsex toilets at work. I have never seen a man not close the door, and i have not come across any more wee on the toilet seats than when they were Women’s only toilets.
I used to work in Belgium where we had unisex loos - no issues there either.
Men are perfectly capable of shutting the door and wanting privacy in my experience
I find it bizarre that this has been an issue in a professional work environment

TransplantsArePlants · 16/08/2018 06:28

Christian Concern chief executive Andrea Minichiello Williams said she was not surprised that women felt uncomfortable at having to share toilets with men.She added: ‘By attempting to be inclusive towards a very small number of trans-identifying people, companies and public authorities have actually made conditions significantly worse for women – as nearly everyone predicted would happen.‘We hate to have to state the obvious, but men and women – and boys and girls – need separate, single-sex toilets. This is something women fought hard for in the past – and still fight for in parts of the developing world today.’

Hmm, never heard of this woman. Wise words

WhoWants2Know · 16/08/2018 06:11

And even if they do close the doors, in the absence of urinals the men will likely get urine on the toilet seats. That's why urinals exist.

I wouldn't want to pee there.

WhoWants2Know · 16/08/2018 06:07

I wouldn't bet on the men being accustomed to closing the door at home, or certainly not all of them.

Men have been used to peeing communally in public their whole lives and the need for privacy or modesty isn't as ingrained as for women. Some will notice the signs and adapt, but closing the door isn't necessarily an instinctive behaviour. I don't think gender neutral toilets do anyone any favours.

Mrspotter12 · 16/08/2018 05:49

Surely the question should be why these men aren't closing the doors? I presume they have bathroom doors at home and use them? It sounds like they are doing it on purpose to intimidate other users?

NoProbLlama78 · 16/08/2018 05:27

Victoria bus station arrivals had unisex toilets with signs up telling men to close the doors when they were in there. They didn't!! I haven't been for a while so i dont know if it was changed but its an obvious issue with unisex toilets

IAmInsignificunt · 16/08/2018 03:19

signs bearing a picture of a lavatory and the words ‘Gender Neutral Toilets’ cost an additional £8,070.70

Excuse me what?

I wouldn’t use these loos either, I don’t blame any of these women. The men should be disciplined/reported for indecent exposure.

OlennasWimple · 16/08/2018 02:33

I'm intrigued why the cost was so high for the conversion, given that none of the toilets in the HO HQ have urinals