Transexual voices - twitter thread

It’s been suspended? On what grounds?

Some TRA's didn't like it?

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There is a threadreader.

It’s been suspended? On what grounds?

I'm glad we have the text of it here.

Is the fb page still there?

That one, and another tweeter saying they were aware of Jess's predatory behaviour. My twitter feed is looking a bit like swiss cheese.

Looks like the twitter account is suspended already. Either the mass reporters got busy or it was too good to be true. Didn't take long, either way.

I don't see why transsexuals shouldn't organise and create a distinction between themselves and the rights they've gained/want and the extremist anti-woman activists and their demands.

But I also agree with Miranda. This post isn't a feminist positioning, nor does it contain anything but the most scant reference to women's rights, and it certainly doesn't take time to condemn the toxic environment that has been created for women.

That's fine - no group should feel obliged to centre another group. But let's not fall over ourselves in gratitude. That statement wasn't about us or for us.

Great post. Leave the GRA as it is.

Now let's protect anyone whose gender expression is outside societal norms from discrimination bullying, harassment and violence.

If they’re going to be different, they actually have to be different. Else this is just another attempt to claim a higher spot on the validity hierarchy.

This. In fact I agree with all of your post miranda.

miranda the very sight of you posting on MN has made my day. As usual, you make excellent points. I am so thankful for your courage and hard work in this whole debate. (And I miss you on Twitter.)

I saw that today.
I notice the first reply is someone suggesting this was actually posted by a TERF pretending to be trans.

It remains to be seen whether this group stand for anything different. They could have specifically identified and condemned the use of ‘TERF’ and the attack on female homosexuality; if they’re that concerned about respecting female culture, spaces and the lives of women, I’d look for an explicit distancing from the use of ‘lesbian’, ‘mother’ and ‘woman’. Unfortunately many of ‘the good trans’ still can’t bring themselves to this more evolved point.

Remember TSRainCrew? Tried to sell themselves as the ‘good trans’ and made similar arguments about cultural distinction. Yet in reality their spokespeople ended up being just as big dicks as the gendersists they criticised.

If they’re going to be different, they actually have to be different. Else this is just another attempt to claim a higher spot on the validity hierarchy.

I really hope that these voices are heard in the formal consultation.

I know that I've learnt a lot from @onthishill - particularly the rebuttal of the statment that the Gender Recognition Act "isn't working". Their insight, knowledge and experience drives a coach and horses through that unsubstantiated assertion.

It's not just self-id. It's more about redefining 'gender reassignment' as a protected characteristic in the Equality Act. There needs to be gatekeeping and safeguarding to exclude chancers.

Oh my god I love this

It’s every thought I’ve had about this whole nonsense business wrapped in to one and eloquently argued for me

Feel like this should be posted on the main boards rather than feminism so other posters can see what the issues are - not just the “we hate trans” message that some people seem to think

Interesting development. A flick through the responses shows at least one big media agency looking to do a feature (not the beeb, ahahaha).

So very heartening to read.

Buckle up its going to get nasty as the anti woman genderists start to feel their power and influence ebbing away.

Fantastic . I'm delighted you found and posted that link, I'm hoping with, blogs like this the real trans voice can be heard and we can start to undo any damage done by the ones I cannot mention for fear of deletion.

This takes courage - and it's good to hear transsexual voices being added to the few lone ones.

Everyone is so frightened of the TRAs. Their threats, their violence, their baseball bats, the masked men, the repeated and consistent attacks on people's jobs, their careers. I keep thinking that someone in those well funded trans organisations will realise that this has to stop but no... on they go, fuelling and encouraging the vile behaviour. The only positive is that it's all evidence. Every time I speak to someone sceptical, I only have to point them in the direction of the violence, the exhibitions, the threats and they almost screech to a halt in horror at what they are reading.

Thank you to all those who are raising their heads and speaking out in public.

The current law comprises women. If they cared about that they would be fighting against existing laws, not just trying to stop self ID

❤️ that Post.

Thank you, whoever wrote that. We are on the same side.

What a brilliant message and we are definitely allies. I am so glad they are speaking out.

this is great.

message to lurking TRAs... note how this group is able to express its needs and rights whilst recognising and respecting the needs and rights of another vulnerable group? note how they are able to do this despite the fact their dysphoria may make it genuinely painful to admit they are a discrete group from natal women?

sure there will always have been narcissists but collaborative, caring, listening attitudes like this are how a society gets ahead and grows and cares for its citizens.