Sexual exploitation of young girls in Huddersfield - again?

If this was at a fraternity of athletes we'd be asking what's the cause within this culture than produces the majority of this type of predator.

If this was rich Etonians we'd scorn the privilege that created paedophilic rapists.

As it is most people are being crushed by the big fat elephants in the room...

87% of men in grooming gangs are from one culture. That is not a bastardised version of Islam just like Priests that abused kids are still catholics.

This is the same shit that silences women around trans issues. Let's have some balls people.

How the fuck can you blame Islam when sex outside marriage is forbidden? Likewise for drugs and alcohol. How can you call these ppl Muslims when they are breaching the major rules of Islam? Daily mail and EDL would have you blame Muslims when it's far more complicated than that. Are ppl Flipping gullible or what.
These girls are victims but all ppl seem to care about is the so called religion of the perpetrators (ha! When extra-marital sex and alcohol mean they've renounced their faith anyway).
Tommy Robinson or the papers dont care when there's a grooming case involving white perpetrators. I wonder why....
Our patriarchal and sexist society has turned many Men into trash. Doesn't matter if they are white, Pakistani or whatever.

One angle that is never explored with this issue is that these perpetrators are usually never British-born.

I know quite a few second-generation Muslims from Pakistani families in Kirklees and they are horrified at these grooming cases. Being British born and going to school in Kirklees means there's not the same sense of "otherness" to working class white communities. After all, you might have gone to school with someone's brother or dad.

What you tend to find is these groomers are chain-migration husbands: a relative born in Pakistan who is married to a family member for visa purposes and who exists in a kind of cultural twilight zone of late night taxi and take away work with other chain migration husbands from Pakistan, hearing a very skewed perspective of British culture.

The common factor is men in positions of power able to form closed groups not subject to scrutiny

Absolutely this^

This is in no way to downplay the role played by a toxic mix of a bastardised version of Islam, and the refusal of white liberals to confront this bastardised version of Islam for fear of being seen as racist in what's going on in Yorkshire specifically. But as a general point, it's important to remember that what matters here is power structures - and the power structures may be rich white men in the BBC (Savile and his mates), white men in religious orders (the Catholic and Anglican churches), white men in sports (the team doctor for the US gymnastics team, the coaching scandal in the UK where the victims were predominantly boys), or, as in Rotherham and Huddersfield, a close community of Muslim men who, though not exactly rolling in it, were very much better off and in a stable community position compared to their victims. The common factor is men in positions of power able to form closed groups not subject to scrutiny. Any "boys club" seems to do the trick in opening the way to abuse and rape scandals.

This. Exactly.

It's a question of the underlying demographics, I suspect.

Outside of my reasonably diverse university town, the rest of my county is predominantly rural and dirt poor (some of the lowest average wages in England) and overwhelmingly white. According to friends who work in child protection in the police and social services, we have a huge trafficking problem - teen girls being moved, often not very far, maybe just a neighbouring town 20 miles away, and trapped into prostitution. Here it's a white-on-white crime because that's the demographic of the area.

Let's not forget the work of American psychologist David Lisak who studies undetected campus rapists - on US campuses, 1 in 20 men will admit to behaviours which meet the legal definition of rape (ignoring "no", using body weight to hold down an unwilling woman, etc.) 30 isn't a small number for an average sized town (I think Huddersfield's population is about 150,000) - there will be far, far more rapists than that. If Lisak's figures can be generalised to the UK and a different demographic, there could be over 3000 men in that one town who've at some stage used greater physical strength to over-ride a woman's "no".

This is in no way to downplay the role played by a toxic mix of a bastardised version of Islam, and the refusal of white liberals to confront this bastardised version of Islam for fear of being seen as racist in what's going on in Yorkshire specifically. But as a general point, it's important to remember that what matters here is power structures - and the power structures may be rich white men in the BBC (Savile and his mates), white men in religious orders (the Catholic and Anglican churches), white men in sports (the team doctor for the US gymnastics team, the coaching scandal in the UK where the victims were predominantly boys), or, as in Rotherham and Huddersfield, a close community of Muslim men who, though not exactly rolling in it, were very much better off and in a stable community position compared to their victims. The common factor is men in positions of power able to form closed groups not subject to scrutiny. Any "boys club" seems to do the trick in opening the way to abuse and rape scandals.

The propensity to rape comes first, the after-the-fact justification comes second (my religion tells me these girls are "loose women, asking for it", "they're only poor trashy girls who are up for it anyway", "they're just junkies after a fix"), and is incidental to the crime.

It was female social workers like my friend who brought many of these cases to light, at considerable personal expense.

YY. And concern for these girls is by no means universal among social workers either, in my own experience. Agree with Lang that multi agency working is a problem and often it simply allows all groups to avoid overall responsibility.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Champion
Sarah Champion, Rotherham MP.
Had to resign over it.

It was Ann Cryer - the Labour MP who first raised this. She was shunned by many including shamefully by many colleagues in the Labour Party.

No change with their attitude to women and safeguarding there as we still see.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/30/rotherham-girls-could-have-been-spared-ann-cryer

leaping it may well be such men who are more likely to operate in this way, but sexual abuse of children and vulnerable people is going on in every culture and socio-economic group that exists. This MO is just one of many different ones that operate.

It is dangerous IMO to assume that other groups/cultures are safer. They are not. The overwhelming number of sexual abuse victims I have worked with have been abused by a member of their own family/ close social circle/culture.

The ones getting away with it may be Pakistani, I don't know, but growing up it was also white men and black men. I doubt that has changed.

It's always gone on. It's not just Asian men either if anyone is implying that.
It goes on eiWhat the grooming does have in common is the pre meditated targeting of female children (from 11 up) particularly girls in "care".
The majority of prostitutes started as children, which is why I cannot ever accept legalised prostitution. It is just the continuation of abuse.
Police need to crack down but hard on these opportunistic abusers.

The problem with people like Nick Griffin trying to call it out is (as a pp already said) that, like most of the far right, they're not really concerned about young women, they are using it as a stick to beat the asian community with.

I'm from West Yorks and I've been aware of the grooming gangs and their MOs for decades. I've also worked in child protection since the 80's and seen all the different MOs people use to isolate and sexually abuse women and children. It is everywhere. In all communities, many organisations, has no respect for the socio-economic class of it's victims.

The problem is MEN, lets not forget this. Child sexual abuse happens in all cultures, the perps are almost exclusively men and the majority of victims are female. Belonging to a particular culture does not make a person, or stop a person from being a perpetrator.

The biggest predictor of someone becoming a sexual predator or victim is their biological sex.

Come on ! Griffin was the leader of the BNP and an utter twat.

I actually have a lot of respect for Tommy Robinson for highlighting this. He was talking about it in 2011-2012 and was told he was racist for suggesting it. He of course was right.

All men need to be brought up to respect consent, to treat women with respect. However some seem to need to know this more urgently

Nick Griffin is not "much maligned". He is accurately described. Just because the odious little shit might have been right about one issue doesn't mean he is suddenly a righteous campaigner for girls/women. His motivation is entirely different.

Joycedivision
I know where you are referring to , the MP shouted long enough over this for a decade. Did some good but I'm not too sure how much has changed.
This whole issue has been ongoing for 30 years , not convinced anyone has a full understanding of how widespread it is.

"the racism industry"

what is this please?

Ermmmm

Much maligned Nick Griffin? lol

I thought the main whistleblower was a female doctor.

People are so scared of being’racist’ They close their eyes. I believe the much maligned Nick Griffin raised this years ago but was shouted down as being racist - time for councils, the police, lawyers etc to grasp the nettle and deal with this even when the racism industry shouts and screams.

Can you imagine how it would have been treated if it had been a gang of older women grooming young boys? Putting aside for a minute the fact that women don't sexually abuse in gangs like men, if they (very very small proportion compared to men) do at all - it would have been all over the papers, the "authorities" I'm sure would have treated it very differently. Any children of the women concerned would have been taken into care immediately etc.
Because it's older men and young girls it is "explained away", victim blamed away, expected almost. Because it is so so horribly "normal".

Don’t forget, in these areas those who aren’t ‘up for it’ are ‘snobby’, ‘posh’, and ‘think they’re someone’. We must be sex positive at all times after all mustn’t we.

Family member works in an environment working closely with police, don't want to be too specific, but the "grooming gangs" as seen in the Three Girls on TV are allegedly very much still taking place, they firmly believe police are aware and are powerless or daren't tackle it... Town near Huddersfield, K, is alleged to have a major grooming ring active at the moment.

Obviously, all allegedly as it is an area with lots of ethnic groups and tensions