Sexual exploitation of young girls in Huddersfield - again?

Sorry my post is addressed to NothingOnTelly.

I don't recognise those as British societal views. So for me to begin to understand your post you need to define "OUR".

and what's with the term "child prostitute"? It's an abused child.

Your culture should be our culture. Well, let’s face it, most cultures.

I completely agree with the above. It’s so ingrained within your culture, to not see these girls as victims but as ‘little sluts’ etc.
Poor things can’t win, not enough sexy, they’re not valued at all, too much sexy and they’re slut shamed. Sometimes as women/girls you can be ‘too’ and ‘not enough’ simultaneously. Misogyny, (and also classism), is at the root of this for sure. The willingness to to look the other way for cultural reasons just created the ‘perfect storm’.

It's a toxic mix for sure.

Disinclination to face the root of the problem due to concern about racism accusations
Agreement frankly between the perpetrators and the majority of the authorities who were involved over the "worth" of the girls - zero.
Compounded by societal views (BRITISH societal views) around pubescent / post pubescent girls, sex and sexuality (ascribing adult motivations and capacity to consent, not seeing them as vulnerable)
The men being utterly flagrant, becoming expert at grooming and being able to make an industry out of this, without interference from any of our "protective" authorities (police, SS etc)

To be clear, OUR attitudes combined with the attitudes of these men let these girls down so badly. The authorities didn't see them as "child prostitutes" because they were afraid of racism.

This has shown up how revolting cultural attitudes in some parts of british asian communities combined with different / but also similar attitudes in wider british society got together to facilitate the rape of hundreds of girls.

In short, the structures that should have stepped in failed. The root of that is a misogynistic belief that a 13 year old girl can consent to being passed around a group of forty something men. And that that’s just how it is and she’s not worth the effort.

That is what has to stop.

Absolutely this. I have seen this so often. When a 13 year old girl "goes off the rails", the first question any adult in a position of authority should do is ask "who has been sexually abusing her?" Not immediately concluding "oh, this one's just a bad 'un." Not saying "huh, teenage hormones, what can you do?"

And even if the teenager literally throws themselves at a 40 year old, wearing whatever parody of hyper-sexualised clothing she choose, the 40 year old is a rapist if he then has any sort of sexual relationship with her. The only appropriate response from a decent 40 year old is "what's your parents' phone number? I need to ring them up so they can collect you and get you home safely."

Presenting him as a harmless whistle blower with no general dislike of or hatred of certain groups of people is ridiculous
I don’t want to seem as if I’m defending his views, I’m not. At all.
However, it is NOT a crime, and I find it scary that they tried to send him to prison for saying these things.
Reminds me of that ‘first they came for ...’ poem.
I find it a dangerous precedent to set, that’s all.

i grew up rotherham inthe 00s when it was disturbingly rampant everywhere certain taxi companies were absolute no gos for teen girls to go alone, and even more disturbing was how cars of groomers were allowed to just camp outside the schools and not moved along, it was commented on often it was wierd. theres no way school officials, other authority figures didnt have hands inthe pot, just no way at all. so many more unsavoury details will come out its such a deeply rotten place. schools,care homes need to be on complete lockdown and cars being moved along and repeat offenders being reported to police.

Maybe approaching leaders and families of the Asian communities in these areas, and getting them to address the racist attitudes amongst themselves is one way to tackle this? Some of these communities need to take a long hard look at their misogynistic and racist attitudes. They need educating that white British females are not their playthings and are to be treated with respect. They coukd take a stand and start stamping this out themselves, wouldn’t that help?

Some years ago I did some research into far right groups and they certainly were concerned about white paedophiles. I found a website called noncewatch or something where they named and shamed men - nearly all white.
Probably there has been a rise in these asian groups since then, which is why they focus so much on them.
Not to defend the right wingers, and they certainly aren't women friendly, but they did target white paedophiles.

No it shouldn't. And we should be cautious and socially responsible. But that shouldn't mean that this specific issue is never allowed to be discussed. And it should never mean that it can be turned a blind eye to.

The figures earlier in the thread about % sex offences being perpetrated by asian men. I'd like to see a source. We know that child abuse is rife in the UK and I find it very hard to believe it's all being perpetrated by such a small minority. Certainly the rapists I know of are white (in real life, not many thankfully!). Also in the news we see many men who are white being found guilty of sex offences agianst children.

For this MO - yes I can believe it. But it shouldn't distract from the fact that men are raping children all over the shop, just doing it more subtly / not in gangs / etc.

Oh, nick griffin is absolutely odious, that isn’t (or shouldn’t be) questionable. He’s harmed this more than ‘helped’ because people obviously feel that it is nick griffin the racist so not to be listened to.

Grooming is a huge problem in Blackpool, too

Nick Griffin was found guity previously of "publishing or distributing racially inflammatory written material" - see wiki.

Presenting him as a harmless whistle blower with no general dislike of or hatred of certain groups of people is ridiculous.

Totally agree with you there. If it’s only the racists saying it ( or rather getting the publicity) then it turns it into a racist issue when it’s a child abuse issue
However people ARE talking about it here and always have. In West Yorkshire there are no go areas in many towns, Halifax, Keighley, Dewsbury, Bradford, Huddersfield where young white girls just aren’t safe. I have a 13 year old and I have had to warn her about this ( so she probably thinks I’m a massive racist) and I do flinch when we are in a Town and pass a group of Asian men and see how they look at her.
She has friends at school who are from Pakistani backgrounds and they are lovely boys who show her nothing but respect. She was however called a whore online by an ex friend from Primary when there was a photo of her on snapchat or whatever with a group of boys and I think that there was a cultural element to that.
Luckily that boy received a lot of abuse from other friends over it, including those from a similar background to him. Sometimes I wish we lived somewhere less diverse purely due to this small element which is sad

Boone needs to be well acquainted with anyone to read a newspaper hopping it was very well reported at the time, what with it happening in a public court.
It was a landmark case, which they thankfully lost.

pertinent - nick griffin court case

And how exactly does them saying it help? We all know it goes on, I’ve known to avoid certain groups/areas here for over 30 years. The Police know, SS knows, the press know,nobody needs a bunch of Facists to point it out

I'm not saying that anyone needs them to point it out. You misunderstand my point. I'm saying that if no one is talking about it but the far right, that's not a good thing for anyone. People won't stop thinking things because they are silenced. It opens up the field to the far right. You are in an area where many people are aware of the situation. Not everyone knew it was going on. People expect the media to cover these things and people to be called to account. When the only people who do so are far right racists, there is a problem.

kriegers you seem so well acquainted with Nick Griffin so can you tell me exactly what he said that is just simple fact but that was said to be inciting racial hatred?
What innocuous statement did he make that the “politically correct brigade “ used to send him to prison?
The majority of these men are Asian, it’s endemic - if MNHQ want to pass my details to the CPS for stating that then fine. I’m not worried because THAT is not inciting racial hatred

This is one of the most chilling stories I have ever read.

Also, Eresh from what people have been saying on this thread and from other sources ( as I’ve said earlier I am in Huddersfield) they are NOT the only people to say this but they do get the publicity
And how exactly does them saying it help? We all know it goes on, I’ve known to avoid certain groups/areas here for over 30 years. The Police know, SS knows, the press know,nobody needs a bunch of Facists to point it out
The only thing they contribute is civil unrest, fights outside court and most importantly the increased risk of a retrial

I doubt that stating a fact is “inciting racial hatred” otherwise the majority of people on this thread are in trouble
Listen, it’s very easy to check what I’m saying. That is what nick griffin was taken to court for, it was quite a few years ago now.
Thankfully they did not manage to send him to prison for this, although they did try, because who knows how far down the rabbit hole that would have taken us. ‘Ignorance is strength’ and all that though, eh?

I doubt that stating a fact is “inciting racial hatred” otherwise the majority of people on this thread are in trouble
“These gangs are mostly Asian men” = fine
“And we should take action against them etc etc “ = not so fine