Sexual exploitation of young girls in Huddersfield - again?

I know it's mind boggling isn't it.

Maybe with this case part of it is that to examine it too closely would start to open more questions about the customers - most of whom will be "ordinary" blokes, and there is a general unwillingness in society to confront that there is not such a clear demarkation between "good man" and "monster" as people like to believe. And understandably - it gives them comfort.

Similarly in these grooming cases to investigate too far would have inevitably led to certain groups of men which would have been uncomfortable due to ideas about persecution / racism, so it was easier not to look closely at all (and in fact, blame the girls).

"This is exactly the same attitude - women’s lives and health and dignity mean nothing. That is the root cause here."

I still cannot fully comprehend it. Objectively these are insanely abhorrent, evil crimes. Kidnapping, false imprisonment, and no, not forced prostitution but rape. And over the years, thousands of times. Up to 20 different men a day. Two years for that. And same with the topic at hand, "they want to be there". First of all, they can't consent at that age so it's rape, and second of all how fucked up do you have to be to actually believe that.

Ok arctic glad we cleared that up at least!

The problem is that when the left and centre politicians, media, social services and establishment do not stand up and say "there is a serious problem with the way a certain group views western girls" then it opens up a space for the far right to fill.

Yes, that was the point I was trying to make (obviously badly) earlier.

Talk about distracted and dozy.
I didn't see this was feminism section and assumed it was in news when I clicked yesterday.

I'll bow out. x

Ok it was the ambiguity in the line "they didn't see them as "child prostitutes" because they were afraid of racism."

(By the way the authorities were and are afraid of being called racist.

This is our difference in viewpoint which led to my misreading and which I was looking to clear up .)

Yes that trafficking article. I commented on the thread without having read it as I didn't think I could stomach it. I have read it now. The sentences were a fucking joke.

In an ideal world the police would be looking through CCTV and whatnot to try and find some of the men who paid to rape her -
But the police never have much to say about the Johns in these cases. Even though I believe paying for sex with a tarfficked person was made a "no excuses" crime some time ago (even if not aware they were trafficked I mean).

? slice ? I said:

"To be clear, OUR attitudes combined with the attitudes of these men let these girls down so badly. The authorities didn't see them as "child prostitutes" because they were afraid of racism."

And then went on to explain that the authorities did not see the girls as victims of exploitation but as "off the rails".

You said that you didn't see any evidence that UK social attitudes compounded this. I pointed out that the way the authorities involved viewed the girls was appalling and that was not down to racism but down to misogyny and classism by people involved. Our society has very dubious ideas about post pubescent girls, sex and sexuality, these views comounded with fear of being accused of racism led the authorities to inaction.

They didn't want to cause issues with the communities the men came from, and they couldn't recognise the girls as victims due to their own biases (prejudices).

These girls were seen as worthless to everyone involved (apart from the few who tried to raise the alarm and got firmly shut down).

After all what is a few girls lives fucked up when they probably wouldn't amount to much anyway, set against "community cohesion"? They won't have maybe thougth this consciously but certainly it was a factor.

www.bbc.com/news/stories-45103617

Reminds me of this recent article. The perpetrators were caught in a different country and served 2 years. Came out and went to NI and did the exact same thing again. And yet the sentence they got in NI was more or less the same. For something that should have been thousands of counts of rape and slavery. I don't understand how authorities can care so little about these abhorrent crimes.

NothingOnTelly what on earth is your purpose pursuing this?.

YOU used that label.

the term “Asian” is quite broad and I do think we need to narrow down offending groups a lot more than this. I say this as an “Asian” person.

YY I was meaning to say this too.
In my experience growing up the boys shouting out mysoginistic curses in Urdu to white and black girls on the school bus were from families who had recently come from small villages in Pakistan. They lived in very deprived areas ( I know, I lived near them) and they stuck close together.
The Asian community is much broader than just this group.

Fair point
I believe all these men are of Pakistani/ Bangladeshi Heritage
I’m not sure but I think the women who are being charged are Eastern European

The problem is that when the left and centre politicians, media, social services and establishment do not stand up and say "there is a serious problem with the way a certain group views western girls" then it opens up a space for the far right to fill.
The likes of Nick Griffin are not afraid to name what everybody in those areas knows, and thats how they gain support, because the established people in charge are too scared about their public image to speak.
Having said that there ARE paedophile rings in all walks of life and the way poor young girls are viewed in most of society is a disgrace, and police have not exactly fallen over themselves in the past to find and prosecute these men, whether they are running children's homes or working in Westminster. It's still a case of "nice girls" deserve protection but poor and troubled girls are just trash. That attitude permeates the whole of society.
And yes there are no go areas for non Muslim people in a lot of Yorkshire and Lancashire towns, and there never used to be, so things are getting worse not better, both in terms of lack of integration and racism. I'm not sure why this is but it's real.

the term “Asian” is quite broad and I do think we need to narrow down offending groups a lot more than this. I say this as an “Asian” person.

Its a shame so depressing

Cineworld birstall was terrible...all lower areas now bollarded off

Joyce division & frog face is it near meadowhall or Cineworld youre refferring to? I always thought cineworld was ok .

@frogface69
Is it the large cinema car park with lower levels now bollarded off to due the persistent use of it in its lower levels where people where having sex in smoke filled cars.... It's a very very depressing place at the moment and becoming ghetto like in areas.

So you don't actually have any response to the fact that these girls were often described as child prostitutes by the authorities.

Well your mind is made up. No point chatting to you on here.

Okaay - what?

The term child prostitute was used by the authorities involved.

What do you think of that?

To be clear

these girls were viewed by the police & SS etc as "trouble" - the term "child prostututes" was applied, they were considered to be off the rails and willingly sleeping around with older men.

Those views came from british people (mostly white I'm guessing). Because of misogyny. Not racism.

The racism thing was in many ways a handy angle to explain why they didn't bother doing anything - it was part of the story but not all of it.

Okaay.

Child prostitute was the term applied by SS.

If you can't see this attitude in our society maybe open your eyes and look a bit closer.