America: Parents make violent threats/comments about trans teen

This is a great opportunity to actively show that we, (unlike all the people who have been silent about the abuse of feminists), are rational, kind people who condemn threats and violence. We should take this chance to openly, vocally be the opposite of what is being done to us.

I have no patience for people who insist that women must start doing what we already do every day. It stinks of concern trolling, whether it is sincere or not.

If you think it so important that women express their objections to what a bunch of bullies did somewhere in the US then go you and do that thing.
Go well.

Thanks hamster. I did miss the nuance of this in your original post. Sorry.

I've always liked the comments on a Crooked Timber post on the topic: Will-You-Condemn-athon

Leaning so far forward your head is that low would be very uncomfortable. That said some US toilet cubicles are knee high so maybe it's easier over there

Odd that the child would have their head pointing/eyes looking sideways into the next cubicle though. And which is correct? In the past, the child used the staff toilets or they used the girls' and a complaint was made?

The only way to know someone was looking under the stall...is if you see their face under the stall.

I suspected as much Warm, I've had posts quoted under different names & read other screen shots which sounded perfectly reasonable so it seems some people have difficulty grasping the actual content of what they think is 'evidence' of hatred/bigotry/transphobia.

Obviously a bit too dim to realise the excellent PR job they are doing for FWR & the GC feminists who post here.

warmwishes if all our friends start talking about naice ham, pom bears and zoflora we'll know they've all been signposted by TRAs and decided to stay.

Leaning so far forward your head is that low would be very uncomfortable. That said some US toilet cubicles are knee high so maybe it's easier over there.

Stealth I nervously confessed to a good friend my my gc views and GRA concerns. It turns out she was also radicalised by Mumsnet, via the Alison moyet twitter furore which led to a google and Mumsnet rabbit hole.

It's hilarious that every time a TRA condemns Mumsnet they are actually signposting people to a hub of information and adding more people to the fight against the GRA.

Male thugs violently intimidate feminine presenting male child - women to blame. And in other news, the sea is salty...

My son leans forward on the loo but there is no way anyone in an adjacent loo would know that. You would need to be virtually upside down and close to the partition for anybody to notice - so, he was peeping. Not that that justifies such vile threats but it is the school that put all those pupils in a vulnerable position and the girls in an impossible position. All of the adults involved are letting those children down, one way or another.

Disgusting comments from men, obviously no feminist would have anything to say other than utter condemnation of bullying of a vulnerable child. I hope there is some kind of hate crime law in America that applies to these people.

Changing the subject - is it 177k people a month that now visit the feminist area of mumsnet? I believe this has increased significantly - probably since people started calling us bigots and others started lurking to see what the fuss was about. I wonder if the TRAs retweeting this thread will push it up to 200k a month. Maybe 250K?

Trying to picture leaning forward so much that the person in the next stall thing works.

When I potty trained my sons they sat down and pointed their Willy down to pee. (I'm assuming a transperson wants to pee like the sex that they identify with.

Was his head between his legs while sat down or something? That smacks of a physical issue like severe constipation or mucking about when using the loo which could seem like peeping.

The school is negligent for not sorting out the staff bathroom. The abusive adults are negligent for being threatening. If the comments are doctored (as suggested in the Washington Post) then that person is a shit too for trying to inflame things.

Why would you need to lean so far forward on the toilet it looks like you are peeping?

I don't think you would. But the fact that the child's mother explained away a complaint with these words makes me think that something else is going on here.

Yep, pretty much all of those disgusting comments are coming from men. And yet somehow, we, women on a British feminist chat forum, are responsible for the abuse that this child has been subjected to?

Twas ever thus I guess.

I agree that this child is being used as a pawn by adults with an agenda. They should never have been allowed to use the girls toilets in the first place, because they are not a girl.

Ah, thanks Spartacus. I got halfway down the first page then had to go and do something else, but remembered seeing this on Twitter, and posted before I’d read the rest of the thread.

Hot Rocker - it is the same story but the Washington Post has the best version so far. It seems there was a previous complaint about the child and their behaviour in the girls' toilets (even though they were supposed to have used the staff toilets).

www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/08/14/after-facebook-posts-threaten-12-year-old-transgender-girl-oklahoma-school-district-cancels-classes/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.bb6a23e498dd

Is this the same story? Apparently the transgender girl was accused of peeping under the stall. According to their mother it’s because they lean forward to use the toilet.
www.towleroad.com/2018/08/hunting-season/
I have no idea what happened here, if pink News told me it was raining I have to go outside and check, and I have no idea who the writer of this piece is either, nor their motivations or prejudices, and the comments from the other parents are disgusting and need to be dealt with, but this whole business just outlines why letting male bodied people use female only facilities is such a terrible idea. The girls obviously feel unsafe and that their privacy is being compromised, and a transgender child is victimised by arseholes just looking for an excuse.
Also asking people who haven’t committed any violence to condemn violence is rather stupid. Judge people on their own actions and the content of their character. I wouldn’t dream of going on a Muslim messageboard and demanding condemnation for acts which a very few people commit in their name, in the very same way that I don’t demand condemnation from all the transpeople I know of people like Jess Bradley. There are people however, people I know, who would seek to excuse their behaviour because blah blah blah, so I draw my own conclusions from that

So, an isolated incident in a foreign country is the responsibility of those who post on this board.

First rule of misogyny innit.

Why would you need to lean so far forward on the toilet it looks like you are peeping?

Eeek. Awful definitely. Some of the things being said about that child. But really what was the school thinking?

I would imagine I would feel very strongly if my daughter was forced to share with a boy.

The boys parents and the school have been short sighted, irresponsible and ultimately misogynist. Anyone with half a brain can see no one wants their daughters to share private spaces with boys.

Awful for the child in question, but the school should know their population and have carried out a thorough risk assessment before putting dozens of girls privacy and dignity at risk vs validation of an identity of one male born child who has now been subjected to awful abuse

Yes - including taking into account that a girl had complained about the child in question 'peeping' under the cubicle before and the mother writing this off as 'leaning forward when using the toilet'.

warm

Is she a double-agent?

The Girl from Mars twitter account is how I became interested in GC issues. She was retweeted on my timeline and I saw her screenshots of Mumsnet debates which made a lot of sense to me. So thanks for directing me to what is a board generally populated by wise and intelligent women.