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Intersectionality

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ellaoldie · 14/08/2018 17:20

Can someone with more knowledge of feminist theory than me clear up a point of confusion. I've seen accusations that feminism which excludes trans women is not ( sufficiently) intersectional.

Surely the factor/axis that race, fertility, culture, age intersect with is biology? What other factor would connect all the groups? So a feminism that excludes biology as the common factor cannot by definition be intersectional. Is that right?
Or is thete another non-biological axis on which group "trans" intersects with group ""woman"? I'd be interested to hear from any experts in theory of feminism.

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stillathing · 14/08/2018 17:49

Somebody else will hopefully put this better than me but isn't it just another line of argument appropriated from race theories? This appropriation is particularly distasteful in that I think Kimberle Crenshaw's theory came about in order to highlight that a factory which was happy to hire black men to do manual labour but not black women in its offices was in fact discriminatory (data on sex and race of employees would not show that up). We will need something similar in the future when data on gender shows that there is a 50/50 split in a boardroom when in fact 100% are biologically male.

Intersectional feminism should include trans identifying biological females, of course. Trans people do experience particular issues and it is right to address them.

TransplantsArePlants · 14/08/2018 17:46

Lastly, TRAs often claim that they are "widening the bandwidth of woman". Women have been fighting to widen the bandwidth of woman for decades. TRAs could do boys men a massive favour by widening the bandwidth of what it means to be a man, thus freeing men from gender stereotyping. But they don't want to do that

Sorry to bang on. As you see, I am no academic

WhereYouLeftIt · 14/08/2018 17:45

I'm no theorist, never mind expert in theory. But -

I would say that anyone who claim that feminism which excludes trans women is not intersectional just plain doesn't know what they're talking about. They're so desperate to virtue-signal their inclusivity that they're prepared to hijack intersectionality. Well, they're hijacking feminism already, so why not?

TransplantsArePlants · 14/08/2018 17:42

To answer the second part, what TRA's like to claim is that we don't think transpeople are 'real', or we believe they don't have a right to 'exist'.

Transpeople intersect with women on the axis of homo-sapien, so of course they have the right to exist and live their lives without fear.

TransplantsArePlants · 14/08/2018 17:36

Transwomen aren't women. So they don't intersect with feminism.

Just call me Gloria Steinem

arranfan · 14/08/2018 17:35

I don't know if some of the previous discussions about Crenshaw and intersectionality might be useful for you.

www.mumsnet.com/SearchArch?mustmatch=crenshaw+intersectionality&dontmatch=&nickname=&src_displ_option=s_m_d_m&fromDate=&toDate=&topicmode=All&availtops=-1

Among the more extensive threads:
Can someone explain why intersectional feminism might be problematic?
Transwomen are women' and the irony of intersectional feminism

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 14/08/2018 17:31

Intersectional feminism concerns how other areas of disadvantage or oppression intersect with feminism: race, disability, etc.

TRAs and clueless libfems (who have no intellectual basis that forms their feminism) try to harness intersectional feminism to include men who identify as women. This is bollocks because feminism isn't about men, regardless of how they identify.