Is this the new normal?

There are cross dressers who realise that they are male but enjoy the experience of pretending to be female. They're not trans.

I have been using Clue for the last 3 or so years to track my periods and ovulation.
They have become increasingly woke.

“Who is the Clue app for?
We've always tried to be relatable and easy to understand without referring to gender.

Instead of designing for specific user personas or an abstract idea of a "woman," Clue is designed to be happy, quick to use and to help in the discovery of accurate insights. We believe these apply to all our millions of users, regardless of gender.

In the 100+ pages of scientifically supported text in the English version of Clue — that covers topics of menstrual health, fertility, common medical conditions, PMS/PME, sex, breasts, ovaries, vaginas and so many other topics — we never once refer to "women" or "female." (Other languages present unique challenges when it comes to gendered language, but we are working on improving this, too.)

We did that as an effort to be accurate toward our users, not as an effort to be "politically correct." When making decisions about the language we use, we feel confident that accuracy is a good foundation upon which to build.”

I think “what do you mean by gender” is actually a really reasonable question to ask in these circumstances. For one it means you’ll give the relavent information being requested. Which is probably sex in most cases, but perhaps occasionally they genuinely are asking about ‘gender identity’ (in which case they better have all inclusive options including ✔️None - I reject gender as an oppressive social construct

Excellent idea fairenuff - think I will start doing the same

The next time someone actually asks me what gender I identify with I'm going to innocently say 'What's gender?' and watch them stumble and splutter over their explanation.

Then, when they've finished, I'm going to look confused and then suddenly smile and say 'Oh, you mean what sex am I? Female' as if it's just a lightbulb moment.

They will think I'm bonkers but it will give me satisfaction.

My DH was asked which gender he identified as while booking a vasectomy last week........ He was totally baffled!!

I sent a similar email to Amnesty this week as they asked me to sign a petition to support the campaign in Argentina for legal abortion for pregnant people.

They also said they were doing it to be inclusive. Ffs.

Excellent point, Bears!

‘I identify as female’ or ‘I identify as male’

AND

‘Incusive as possible to all women in our diverse user base’.

So, let’s break this down as if we are playing by TRA rules:

Identify as female and biologically female = woman using the app, fine.
Identify as male and biologically male = man who doesn’t need the app
Identify as female and biologically male = woman who doesn’t need the app
Identify as male but biologically female = MAN who needs the app.

So being “fully inclusive of all women” they are in fact excluding trans men surely?

Didn't think that one through, did you, wokesters?
That was hilarious Eresh

Bineverywhere I'm assuming the other option was Man (+/- trans man) and frankly I'd choose that option rather than woman +/- man. Screw with their statistics. And who knows it might get you extra points on your job application?

30 years ago we'd scrawl the word SEX across pages of school books for giggles. In 2018 I find myself correcting forms and gnashing teeth. I recently had one where my ONLY option was "woman including transwomen". Digital form so I couldn't cross it out - so I was cross instead.

Why is gender even relevant to menstruation? Do they also ask your political leanings? Your views on seaworld or trump or the housing crisis? Do they ask your sexual orientation? Or whether you’re an Irish traveller? How is gender relevant??!

Why oh why are all developers being so inclusive of 0.3% of the population? Why do they really care about the really small number of ftm using the app compared the women as a whole that they risk alienating people who are happy in their bodies

Kyanite but would/do these menstruation fantasists object to being assumed to be female? I’m assuming you’re meaning transwomen here, therefore people unlikely to ‘identify as male’. Amenorrhoeic women are, well, women, anyway.

Some people who can't have periods like to fantasise that they do, and they use apps like this so they can track their pretend periods.

It’s so frustrating.

What I find the hardest isn’t the people who know it’s all bollocks but are enjoying the hurt the current storm is causing but rather the stupid people who are too lazy or thick to think it through and think they’re fantastic because they’re being trans allies and using gender when they mean sex.

My new patient registration form for my GP surgery asked what I identified as.

Male/Female/Other.

Nothing could go wrong with that could it.

Isn't it a funny old world. Society is too embarrassed to read "sex" on a form but happy enough to talk about penises all the live-long day!

I crossed it out and said I am a woman because of biology not because of some social construct or feeling in the 'other' section.

I do the same did wonder if I’d gone a bit far when I crossed out gender and wrote ‘sex’ on a survey a 15 year old presented me for their school project on pets though.

Nice one glen

I was asked this at a local museum this week. I crossed it out and said I am a woman because of biology not because of some social construct or feeling in the 'other' section.

It is a disturbing trend. I was asked in a workplace survey if I identified as male or female. Well I identify as female because I AM female. Not to do so would make as much sense as identifying as a cat or a rock. Saying 'female' is an identity implies it is culturally rather than biologically defined, and that is not a feminist belief.

Agree that surely a fertility tracker app presumes female sex - a penis bearer would have no need for such a service.

So fair enough they are gathering data on gender identity of users - then they need to provide ‘other’ and ‘none’ options as well, surely.

I’d reply again and enquire why they need to know the gender identity of users? Is there a GDPR section to cite that they must be able to explain their need for/use of such information?

If an app is talking ‘to’ you in a bot-style format, it doesn’t need to use gendered (third person) pronouns, does it.