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Burglar breaks into house, steals woman's clothes and .... Jeez

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theOtherPamAyres · 09/08/2018 19:04

Police in Wigan appealed for information about a burglar who broke into a house, stole a woman's clothes, and dressed up in the garden. Whereupon he pleasured himself.

Some people might not give this case a second glance, but I would. The police describe the incident as Unusual. It's a bit more than that, officer.

It takes nerves of steel to be a burglar.

You risk someone seeing you breaking in, or being confronted by residents, alarms, neighbours and dogs.

It takes a warped mindset to target a particular property because you fancy the clothes of the woman who lives there. Did he follow her, just to see where she lived? Did he follow her for a few days to check out her style?

And finally, it is chilling how the burglar stayed within the bounds of the property to perform a sex act.

The man is a real and present danger. No wonder that the occupant and her family are distressed and beside themselves.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-man-break-in-garden-womens-clothes-lowton-a8484461.html

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bd67th · 10/08/2018 09:40

Here's Marie Dean's list of crimes. The Guardian didn't mention any of the sexual aspects when they first wrote about the offender's "human rights" (because makeup is a human right? lol no) and only added it after complaints. A reader wouldn't suspect any sexual component to the crimes unless they spotted the unusually long sentence and googled for the offender's name. (And if the offender had chosen a name that didn't contain parts of h* prior name, googling for the offender wouldn't expose the sexual nature of the crime. This is why* some of them scream so loudly about "deadnaming".) Of course, people who've already read the article aren't going to go back and check for changes.

This is how misinformation about the "brave, vulnerable transwoman" in jail being victimised by the authorities gets spread: by omitting pertinent details of sexual crimes at reporting time, doing the minimum to fix the online edition when complaints are made, by which time print readers and regular online readers have seen the first version that lies by omission and made their opinions based on that. The Guardian are engaging in anti-woman propaganda by omitting the sexual parts of crimes committed by males who claim to identify as women and hence failing to report the severity and misogyny of those crimes.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 10/08/2018 09:31

There is even a term for a man who steals women's underwear. It's 'snow-dropper'. I never hang my personal laundry where it could be seen from the outside. I know of women living alone who hang out men's underwear and clothing so not to identify that they live alone. I always bring my washing in at night not because it will get 'darked on' but because I'm scared it will tempt perverts.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 10/08/2018 09:30

How absolutely terrifying ToeToToe!

The thought that he knew you were alone makes me shudder.

I wonder just how many stories there are out there which have never been reported?

theOtherPamAyres · 10/08/2018 09:10

These types of chilling incidents will be hidden in the crime figures. The police in Wigan will record a "burglary", for instance.

It would take a lot more effort to probe and crunch the data with key words to find that, hidden in those crimes figures, there are men and boys who have a fetish for womens' clothes.

They will stop at nothing to satisfy their sexual appetites and take great risks.

The investigator was being coy. The newspapers were interested because they might have seen it as titillating. For me, it goes some way to explaining my fears when coming upon a weird looking man (with a five o'clock shadow and a slash of lipstick) in the Ladies.

It's the story of Red Riding Hood and the Wolf writ large in women's psyche.

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Bespin · 10/08/2018 09:05

Well I'd call him a wanker who clearly as a lot of issues, I hope he gets court soon as he appears to need help and also removing from society to receive such help.

Iused2BanOptimist · 10/08/2018 08:59

Trying it on.

Iused2BanOptimist · 10/08/2018 08:59

Doesn't a certain famous brave "woman of the year" admit to rifling through his daughter's underwear drawer and trying it in? And think it's a funny and brave anecdote.

ToeToToe · 10/08/2018 08:33

Dance - you've just reminded me of a horrible incident when I was 17 and doing my A-levels. Not quite the same as in the OP - but stalking.

I started getting these dirty phone-calls - he was quite shameless, he'd ask for me by name if my mum or step-dad answered the phone. It would start off with him saying 'oh, do you remember me, I know xyz" or whatever - and then just launch into "X told me that if I give £25 you'd give me a pair of your dirty knickers" and such like. I always just put the phone straight down.

Then my parent & siblings went on hols, and I was alone in the house. He called - saying "As you're on your own tonight, I thought I'd come round and keep you company"

Well I was petrified, of course. I checked all the doors and windows - and we had dogs, so I called my mum, and then just went to bed Confused I suppose I could've called the police. But I can't see what they would've done.

I never found out who he was - but he knew a lot about me. He was wanting to scare me, to disgust me, offend me. It's a violation. It stopped when I left for university.

How many other girls might he have done this too? Would he/did he escalate? I've always wondered who he was.

bitheby · 10/08/2018 08:29

I was briefly in a sexual relationship with a man obsessed by forced feminisation fantasies and this stuff doesn't surprise me. The thrill of possibly being caught and publicly humiliated is a big part of the fetish.

Obviously there's a line between fantasising about this stuff and doing it for real but it's probably more common than people realise. I certainly had no idea about it before I met him.

Popchyk · 10/08/2018 08:27

womensvoicesmatter

Why it was that bastion of never telling the unsavoury truth about certain transgender people, The Guardian of course.

Here

The initial article said that Dean had been convicted of minor burglary offences.

It was edited subsequently to make reference to the voyeurism and breaking into teenage girls' homes and filming themselves wearing the girls' underwear.

But only after an outcry.

Dean has now ended their hunger strike. Never started it more like.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 10/08/2018 04:59

It was a while ago Turph. I rang the police in a panic because my housemates were away for a couple of weeks, and this person rang and told me they'd been in our yard. "Were those your black underwear I took off the clothesline?"

I can still remember how terrified I was gathering my cats up from the yard and locking myself into the house.

The police said, "I suppose you could change your phone number."

That kind of behaviour from fetishists, isn't random I don't think. It is a sex crime.

Turph · 10/08/2018 04:35

The police weren't interested
Bbbbbut... I thought that was the answer to all our concerns? Weren't we supposed to call the police to report concerning behaviour?
Hmm

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 10/08/2018 04:27

When I was a student living in a shared house, I had a stalker who terrorised me for months. I had to stop answering the phone. Among other things, he stole underwear of the line (and rang up to tell me about it), and left pornographic pictures on my doorstep. The police weren't interested, and eventually stalker stopped without me ever finding out who it was.

If you want to wear women's clothes, they are readily available for purchase. Stealing them and then masturbating in the yard is not just a fetish but a threat.

annandale · 10/08/2018 03:55

I think in this sort of unusual burglary sturdy pyjamas are often targeted.

womensvoicesmatter · 10/08/2018 02:56

If convicted he could get sent to a women's prison by claiming he identifies as a woman. It's already happening.

Yes, there was a near identical case. The Independent and/or Observer IIRC (can anyone confirm which one it was?) ran a story on the poor transwoman who wasn't having her human rights respected because "she" was being kept in a male prison - without once mentioning that "her" crime was breaking into a teenagers room while she was out and wanking into her underwear.

People complained and they eventually added this info in.

How could anyone not think that was a relevant piece of information?

Voice0fReason · 09/08/2018 22:15

If convicted he could get sent to a women's prison by claiming he identifies as a woman.
It's already happening.

Popchyk · 09/08/2018 21:52

No, no, no, Neegan.

You can't say that.

It is an unusual burglary. That's all.

Presumably flashers indulge in unusual trouser adjustment in public.

NeegansWife · 09/08/2018 21:37

What's with all the tippy-toe language officer? Man wanks his penis into stolen woman's clothing = sex crime every day of the week in my book. FFS!!!!!!!

ijustwannadance · 09/08/2018 21:12

I would worry about him being a stalker too. Targeting someone he either wants or wants to be.

Cross dresser with a sexual fetish. Welome under the umbrella.

ChattyLion · 09/08/2018 20:54

Ugh hope they find this man.

SlightAggrandising · 09/08/2018 20:49

Ugh. Men are disgusting.

LARLARLAND · 09/08/2018 20:36

That is very near to my parents’ house Sad

Melamin · 09/08/2018 20:33

I suppose they haven't caught him to ask him what he identifies as yet.

sexnotgender · 09/08/2018 20:28

What a stunning and brave act. He should be applauded for having the courage to do it.

madja · 09/08/2018 20:26

Did he follow her, just to see where she lived? Did he follow her for a few days to check out her style?

This is the part that really concerns me. Has he been waiting for an opportunity to break in? It's much more than a a typical breaking and entering.