Channel 4 appoints a new advisor on inclusion

I think it's interesting that they went to India for the surgery stating that the NHS was outdated. Does this mean they didn't pass the gatekeeping? It would certainly suggest a motivation other than true gender dysphoria if that's the case.

Well placemats u would have to brave and stunning and have essence
And start a charity

Did I read right that they are offering surgery as a prize????

How is that even legal? Let alone ethical??

How would it look if I say, a woman in my fifties, decided to become a trans man and announced to the world that getting the boobs removed and testosterone made me feel like a teenage boy!

Would Channel 4 be knocking on my door to employ me as an inclusion adviser?

Spot on Datun. Another one of the many paradoxes of the trans movement.

I don’t have any problems whatsoever with fetishism within adult consenting relationships (or indeed, when alone).

But the rest of us shouldn’t be expected to budge up and make room for it.

Pretty certain none of us got employed by TV channels or invited to address parliament at 15.

Serves us right for being boring old cunty women, huh?

The only thing worse than being a terf is sex negative from what I can tell.

I've never understood that either.

Claiming on the one hand that you have a few years to live because you are appropriating murder statistics of trans prostitutes in Brazil, and then vilifying women for wanting to stop prostitution!!!

Trans logic.

Sloth

Sue Pascoe is a dyed in the wool Tory blue.

Regarding your issue on fetish, personally, I believe fetish has no political boundaries.

Frankly, this fetish seems so prevalent, I think there are far more people who are familiar with it then we realise.

But it needs to be acknowledged. Like Grayson Perry.

It's not a change of sex, and it's absolutely nothing to do with women, and should be as far away from women's rights as possible. It undermines all of them.

The hashtag GirlsLikeUs won't be a surprise to anyone. But what should be shocking people down to their core is that the country is about to legitimise it at the expense of women.

I have realised that the fact it’s obviously a fetish in some cases makes no difference in liberal leftie circles, where fetishes are actually kind of admired a lot of the time. You would think that in order to be so supportive, it must be that people can’t SEE that it’s a fetish; but the truth is they often can, and that knowledge is part of what drives their support

The only thing worse than being a terf is sex negative from what I can tell. And it's sex negative to ever discuss people#s fetishes and why they might be an issue.

I knew with pretty much certainty that if I tried to come out when I was a partner in PricewaterhouseCoopers or in Andersen, that would probably be the end of my career. I had to wait for the latter part of my life to make those transitions

Yeah...

Meanwhile, in the spirit of others sharing how it was for them as a teenage girl, here's my experiences.

I was fat, spotty and living in poverty in a two-up, two-down house with no indoor facilities, plus two brothers. No room of my own and no bathroom made coping with menstruation fabulous.

Is that what Sue Pascoe has in mind?

I have realised that the fact it’s obviously a fetish in some cases makes no difference in liberal leftie circles, where fetishes are actually kind of admired a lot of the time. You would think that in order to be so supportive, it must be that people can’t SEE that it’s a fetish; but the truth is they often can, and that knowledge is part of what drives their support.

It’s a weird time right now in leftwing politics, for sure.

You might well be buried as a female Sue. However, your skeleton will be seen as male. You might be seen as a trans woman but you won't be classified as female.

I've also had my post deleted. It's a bit upsetting and I'm not really sure why. I expressed finding it offensive that a middle aged person who had been socialised and gone through puberty as a male bodied individual could claim to be experiencing female teenage puberty. My experience of puberty was marked by the various intrusions of men
you speak the truth stillathing - this is it exactly.

Wheedling their way in after they have enjoyed all the power and advantage and privilege a white man can expect
yes Ereshkigal

Sue Pascoe witness evidence: data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/women-and-equalities-committee/transgender-equality/oral/23159.html:

(extract)
"Once I had my passport, my medical records got changed. It was really quite nice to get a letter from the NHS asking if I wanted to have a cervical cancer test—bizarre."

"One of the worst experiences, though, was when I came back from India having had my operation... I was sent by my GP for two days into Leeds General Infirmary and despite my medical records being changed, despite everything at my GP being female, because I had been to the hospital as Graham they had me in as male. They refused to change it in the system and here I was, I had had my operation and I was really upset, and I argued very strongly about being discharged with male papers. Anyway, that caused quite a stir and then all my records everywhere in the system were changed to female, and I have never had any problem since."

I do agree the majority of the population wouldn’t really see this person as a woman, but I don’t think they would see the situation for what it is either, I.E. a glaring example of misogyny and male privilege. They’d probably just think it was a bit weird, at most.

I agree with that because most people don't see male privilege, male or female.

But they will see a middle-aged male bodied person wearing women's clothes, and they will make a connection.

They still won't really care, until they are vilified for not agreeing that this person is a biological woman and belongs in their daughter's changing room.

I knew with pretty much certainty that if I tried to come out when I was a partner in PricewaterhouseCoopers or in Andersen, that would probably be the end of my career. I had to wait for the latter part of my life to make those transitions

Sue didn’t transition because there would have been a financial cost. Sue waited until Sue felt the time was right - after a successful career and a long marriage.

Yet we are constantly told that waiting is impossible, that children who are not allowed to transition as early as possible will be destroyed- their lives will be not worth living and they are at huge risk of suicide.

This is another example of what is perhaps most disturbing about this movement- the way in which adults retain their rights to make choices which suit them while pushing for children to be set on a path which effectively removes the ability to make reasoned choices.

With lies like that this person is not going last long. What with that and the blatant pretence over the word contagion. Too arrogant.

Well, you'd think Datun, but it hasn't done for any of the others so far...

Waiting for the other shoe to drop. Why aren't people seeing this?? As a pp said, "are we crazy??".

With lies like that this person is not going last long. What with that and the blatant pretence over the word contagion. Too arrogant.

Give Sue a break, Datun. Just a teenager, after all.

'It's funny, I'm 55, I am very hormonal, I am going through puberty again which means that I am just getting to my teenage girl years - so watch out world."

They just can’t help giving themselves away.

do agree the majority of the population wouldn’t really see this person as a woman, but I don’t think they would see the situation for what it is either, I.E. a glaring example of misogyny and male privilege. They’d probably just think it was a bit weird, at most.

Totally agree with that.

We must move in very different circles! Apart from a couple of wokesters I would say the exact opposite.

Yes I think I do move in very “woke” circles. Often painfully so. But there’s really no middle ground where I live; the only generally leftwing people here are identity politics types. Radical feminism is definitely not a thing here!

I do agree the majority of the population wouldn’t really see this person as a woman, but I don’t think they would see the situation for what it is either, I.E. a glaring example of misogyny and male privilege. They’d probably just think it was a bit weird, at most.