Channel 4 appoints a new advisor on inclusion

Even the genuinely female equivalent of this person (i.e. middle/upper class straight white corporate superwoman) would be unsuitable to advise on inclusion, IMO. Really for this kind of role you do want someone who has had a range of challenges to face.

I don’t think any individual is well placed to advise on ‘inclusion’. Who has had an acceptably broad range of challenges to face? How would this be qualified and quantified?

I'm not saying TV executives can't be into charity etc. But this person was not be into inclusivity at all. I mean bfore, they themselves admitted, they were an 'alpha male'!

Well exactly. They're not even trying to be convincing!

sloth
I'm shocked at your inability to appreciate the many and varied challenges faced by poor Susie.

Oh yeah, I mean obviously I don’t mean to downplay how challenging it is to find just the right time window for trying on your wife’s knickers without getting caught. Susie has indeed had a heavy cross to bear.

This is another piece on MESMAC

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abuse-survivors-charity-yorkshire-mesmac-hit-by-sex-scandal-xbqb3hqbv

Young Mesmac outreach workers, advertising their advice services, are widely present on gay sex websites such as Grindr and the bondage site Recon. On the Bareback RT site, for people seeking unprotected sex, a smiling Mesmac staff member offers health advice and says users can “ask me” for anal intercourse.

One of the successors to the trustees who resigned, Heathcliffe Bowen, was five weeks ago convicted of multiple child sex offences, including making and possessing indecent images of children, attempting to meet a child after sexual grooming, attempting to cause or incite a child to engage in sexual activity and distributing indecent images of children.

They get millions of pounds from the government.

Although I read about this at the time, I'm finding this difficult to believe, all over again. Particularly in the light of the fact that Jesse Bradley had meetings at MESMAC.

It makes you wonder why Sue Pascoe would want to be associated with it.

I think mine was as it was mainly about me as a teenage girl. It's hard to remember that the truth is now deleteable.
It's one big game of "let's pretend"

Isn't Channel Four worried that this person has their own agenda which may be nothing to do with TV or genuine inclusion? I'd be worried they'd be pushing their own trans agenda and charity.

I'm not saying TV executives can't be into charity etc. But this person was not be into inclusivity at all. I mean bfore, they themselves admitted, they were an 'alpha male'!

How does that sit with inclusivity.

Are the deletions due to using masculine pronouns maybe?

Nope. Not all of them. I think they might be for referring the first one that was deleted?

There's a thread at the moment reminding people to make sure there is nothing inappropriate in their internet profiles, because it may stop you getting a job.

A nearly sixty year old male comparing themselves to teenage girls is what channel 4 consider an ideal employee?

sloth
I'm shocked at your inability to appreciate the many and varied challenges faced by poor Susie.

MESMAC are the ones who got in shit for saying their staff were allowed to sleep with their service users aren't they?

Yes they counselled young men, who I believe had sexual trauma, but their guidelines said they could shag them, too.

Until they were forced to change it.

Andrew Gilligan wrote a piece about them and all sorts of dodgy stuff going on.

Are the deletions due to using masculine pronouns maybe?

Is appointing a fox hunting Tory (gender identity aside) not quite out of character for channel 4? Thought they tried to be generally lefty-ish, in a vague way.

Even the genuinely female equivalent of this person (i.e. middle/upper class straight white corporate superwoman) would be unsuitable to advise on inclusion, IMO. Really for this kind of role you do want someone who has had a range of challenges to face.

Ofew
As far as the deletions are concerned, I was reading the thread live and I didn't notice anything abhorrent as we were going along. It's a real puzzler. It's a very rare Swiss cheese with gigantic holes with mice running through them like on a Disney movie by now I believe.

From the Sunday Times article:

"Jessica Eaton, a consultant in child protection, said Mesmac’s “extraordinary and disturbing” policy was out of line with all normal practice and “opened the door for abuse and exploitation” "

I was trying to remember whose comments about this I'd read.
Thank you

Wonder if Pascoe is still into guns and foxhunting now they're a woman

In the video, Sue describes the relief of being wecolmed by a woman in her 70's who is a Hunt member when she rejoined.

Also confirms the Indian surgical company is same as the sponsors.

"Lady Of The Hunt: Alpha Male Comes Out As Transgender Woman"

the narrative in the video above seems a little different to the one on the Conservative site

yep ++ all the other stuff in the news.

Oh come on!

Isn't it interesting how white men always seem to get the diversity gig?
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I think that's only my second ever deletion in 12 years here!

Ah well.

MESMAC are the ones who got in shit for saying their staff were allowed to sleep with their service users aren't they?

Right. So it's great to become a woman but only when it no longer is a gross disadvantage to your social status and career goals.

You can't be both suicidally desperate to be a woman yet able to wait until you've finished achieving all you want to achieve professionally. Except of course you can, and people will celebrate you and offer you a job you aren't qualified for.

And the teenage girl comment is nauseating. Surely it should be menopausal woman. I wonder why it isn't... no collective trans experience of menopause as they claim with their 'periods'? So strange...

There's that book The boy who would be queen or some similar name by the expert doctor who noted 2 main groups of transwomen. I believe he said it was less common for AGP s to have surgery but for some it took the obsession to its limits.

It almost seems like a secret society. It puts the Freemasons to shame

the Freemasons did not deny there were transwomen who were part of the brotherhood, they only commented that there were none recorded (Its a bit of a moot point as I'm not sure the Freemasons' records are kept in the manner of other organisations, charities etc)!

I had speculated on the thread below that some of the men who went on to transition in later life and had careers and interests such as those that Sue Pascoe descibed in her Daily Mail article could well have been part of groups such as the Freemasons... just as they might well be Rotarians.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323475-Surprise-The-Masons-now-welcome-Transwomen-but-not-women

*LGBT

This current government is in coalition with the Democratic Unionist Party. The DUP does not support same sex marriage and does not support abortion. It is homophobic and there are members of the DUP who believe in correction to 'gay'.

The DUP does not uphold LGBt rights.

Let's be under no illusion, the current government is a DUP/Conservative coalition government.