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Channel 4 appoints a new advisor on inclusion

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BarrackerBarmer · 09/08/2018 13:20

www.channel4.com/info/press/news/channel-4-appoints-sue-pascoe-as-advisor-on-inclusion-x

Sue Pascoe, who 4 years ago was Graham, and who said "that while a man, he was the embodiment of the all-action, red-bloodied alpha male."
Of course, by 2015, this evolved to "'It's funny, I'm 55, I am very hormonal, I am going through puberty again which means that I am just getting to my teenage girl years - so watch out world."

Perhaps those teenage girl years have been outgrown now that Pascoe is 58. Here's hoping.

I'm not convinced this will result in a better proportion of those of us who are female being represented though.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163747/Master-Hunt-woman-age-54-marks-day-man-going-bowling-enjoying-burger-sons.html

Wouldn't it be nice if some of the recent 'inclusivity' appointments actually included women? By which I mean, the old fashioned ACTUALLY underrepresented, female type human.

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TerfsUp · 09/08/2018 15:40

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SlothSlothSloth · 09/08/2018 15:40

She complains that her wife divorced her due to her transition and it was extremely bitter and acrimonious. Who would have thought!

SlothSlothSloth · 09/08/2018 15:39

Apart from anything else it appears this person led a life of extreme privilege before transition. What experience can they possibly bring to the table? I googled her and she described herself as an “alpha male” before. Alpha males are exactly the kind of person we need LESS of at the top. Never mind them acting as some kind of equality buffs.

Datun · 09/08/2018 15:39

MESMAC? Again??

Good lord. What the hell is going on with that organisation.

This Sue Pascoe is just textbook.

Given what's happened with Jess Bradley, the terf stomping chap, etc, I do think it's just a question of time before people wake up to the motives of some transwomen (not 'all', HQ, it's not a generalisation).

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Bowlofbabelfish · 09/08/2018 15:35

Ahhhh mesmac.

Right.

R0wantrees · 09/08/2018 15:34

"Channel 4 has appointed Sue Pascoe of Soaring Spirit Limited"
(this was registered at Companies House in June 2018)

"She is also a trustee of the largest LGBT+ and sexual health charity in the North East of England." ( Mesmac? )

She is also the Conservative Women’s Organisation representative and an executive member of her local parliamentary constituency party.

Sue Pascoe
(extracts)
"But in my 50s, once my children had grown up, I felt I had to explore my feminine side again. I finally told my wife I needed to seek professional help without guilt, and I needed to be honest with our children. She felt our relationship couldn’t continue and filed for divorce. Unfortunately it was very acrimonious, and included bitter disputes and the freezing of assets.

At my lowest point I was homeless, penniless, without my family and living with health problems and gender identity issues. I had lost everything. It was only then that I started living as Sue full time.

Eventually I spoke to my doctor and saved up for surgery. I went to India for my gender surgeries. The NHS could not support me without many years of waiting.

This has been a period of understanding and love from most people but extreme hate and discrimination from others for no other reason than I am transgender. It was therefore brilliant to recently hear the Prime Minister state that “being transgender is not an illness”.

Now I’m mentally strong again, I’m complete as a woman and my divorce is behind me. I am Sue now, as I was always meant to be. My gender identity and my body now fully match. I’m at peace with myself.

The challenge now is to combat the moral hysteria which has been thrown up through fear and propaganda against transgender people, and see legislative changes which support everyone’s gender identity and expression. We only wish to live our lives like any other person and be shown respect and dignity."

www.lgbtconservatives.org.uk/news/idahotb-my-story-sue-pascoe

TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 09/08/2018 15:33

does anyone know which charity this is referring to

Pascoe's twitter page has Yorkshire Mesmac as one of the key names in its first pinned tweet, so perhaps them?

Bowlofbabelfish · 09/08/2018 15:33

From the moral hysteria article posted byROwan above:

Let me bust some myths promulgated by so-called "radical feminists" with extreme fringe views:...Trans children are not a "contagion" on the world. They are just children who need our love and understanding.

Sue here has twisted what has been said. I wonder why Sue has done that? Sue has ignored the idea that is promulgated by some experts in the field that the concept of young girls being attracted to saying they are trans has elements of socially contagious behaviour and twisted this to say that feminists think that children expression such thoughts are a contagion themselves.

Now Sue, I have two options available to me here. Either your level of critical appraisal of such experts is dismal, or you’re deliberately twisting words to make feminists look as though they are inciting hatred. I wonder what sue would say if I asked them that?

TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 09/08/2018 15:30

Datun, I don't think they see women as people all, not really, and that plays out in different ways during their lives.

hackmum · 09/08/2018 15:29

Probably shouldn't be a surprise that Sue is a member of the Conservative Party:

www.lgbtconservatives.org.uk/news/idahotb-my-story-sue-pascoe

Where the Channel 4 press release says "She is also a trustee of the largest LGBT+ and sexual health charity in the North East of England" does anyone know which charity this is referring to?

placemats · 09/08/2018 15:29

Yes we all know friends who have met their soul mates in middle age and now feel like a teenager again. And we all smile and wave.

Except feeling like a teenage girl, when you are well into middle age, has safeguarding issues tied up with it in my opinion. There are loads of teenage girls who do horse riding.

TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 09/08/2018 15:28

Pythagonal perhaps Mrs Pascoe has found the trans widows thread here and is hopefully receiving help and support there.

Datun · 09/08/2018 15:27

I understand why AGP individuals wait until middle-age to come out. What I don't understand, so much, is this huge prevalence of being so very macho/alpha when they were men.

It's almost guaranteed.

Is it denial? Or does it go hand-in-hand with seeing women as subservient?

TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 09/08/2018 15:26

Still, good to see that Channel 4's new inclusivitiy advisor has no time whatsoever for pesky feminists.

Pythagonal · 09/08/2018 15:26

I had to wait until my father and my mother had died, and divorce freed me from my duties to my wife, and then I could start to look at being myself. I told my wife before we were married that I had a feminine side to me, but she did not want it in our marriage and that became very difficult.

The poor wife.

TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 09/08/2018 15:25

If they wanted a teenage girl, why didn't they appoint a teenager? I'm confused.

annandale · 09/08/2018 15:19

When I was a teenage girl I worked all hours for my o levels and was treated with utter disgust for being unable to manage my periods without bleeding onto my grey uniform skirt at random moments. I had become vegetarian but found it played havoc with my digestion so I farmed non-stop. I didn't have enough money to buy my own underwear but wore my sister's hand me downs despite being a completely different shape. I liked grandad shirts and macintoshes from oxfam and bunked off school to see Shakespeare productions and visit art galleries. I belonged to CND and the Green Party. I was not offered a senior role by Channel 4.

terryleather · 09/08/2018 15:18

At 15 I spent a lot of time in my room reading novels. Could that be what Sue means?

Naah, that's what cunty types actually do NotTerf (well, I did) where as
transgirls are too busy being hot as fuck, getting cat called in the street and loving it as they flick their hair and adjust their chokers before heading off to a girly sleepover...

SturdyEarmuffs · 09/08/2018 15:13

It's always the male fantasy of what a teenage girl is, isn't it? The warped hyper sexualised fantasy. Wonder why that is?Hmm

Melamin · 09/08/2018 15:10

When I was 15 I wanted to be a nun and spent hours on my own meditating on god. Suspect he's not that kind of teenage girl either

LOL - I went there too - but in my case it was to avoid ever having to have sex with anyone (uuurrrrrrgggggggghhhhhh). Couldn't do with the religion either though Hmm I did consider devoting my life to becoming a maths teacher.

LangCleg · 09/08/2018 15:10

Ugh.

R0wantrees · 09/08/2018 15:09

October 2015 Sue Pascoe gave evidence to the Womens & Equalities Select Committee within a year of 'coming out' (her words):

Q180 Ben Howlett: Thank you ever so much for giving up your time to come in today. I thought it would be a warm-up question to ask about the good aspects and the bad aspects of being a trans person in the UK today. Sue, would you like to start?

Sue Pascoe: I am 55 now, and it took me until I was 54 years old to come out and have the confidence to lose pretty much everything in my life to be myself. I had to wait until my father and my mother had died, and divorce freed me from my duties to my wife, and then I could start to look at being myself. I told my wife before we were married that I had a feminine side to me, but she did not want it in our marriage and that became very difficult. I hid myself as Sue most of my adult life. I was made fun of when I grew up, and I knew with pretty much certainty that if I tried to come out when I was a partner in PricewaterhouseCoopers or in Andersen, that would probably be the end of my career. I had to wait for the latter part of my life to make those transitions.

It is interesting. I made my decision to become permanently Sue in July last year, and I thought that I would lose all my family, my friends, my business and my farm, be ostracised by my friends, and need to go abroad for an operation and then start a new life with a new identity. That was the basis upon which I decided to become Sue. Amazingly, it has not really been like that. Most people who perhaps have not been in my life have been fantastic and that is the general response I get—former work colleagues. It has tended to be people who have been very close to me—knew me as Graham and now see me as Sue—that find it quite hard to make that mental leap, but that will come with time. What is clear is that going back into the workplace, which I am going to try to do—I just do not know how I am going to be responded to, but I thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak today. Graham never got to address Parliament, so this is one up for Sue. "

data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/women-and-equalities-committee/transgender-equality/oral/23159.html

Wanderabout · 09/08/2018 15:03

So what quotes to we have on women's rights from the new C4 'inclusion' advisor then?

NotTerfNorCis · 09/08/2018 15:02

At 15 I spent a lot of time in my room reading novels. Could that be what Sue means?

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