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Channel 4 appoints a new advisor on inclusion

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BarrackerBarmer · 09/08/2018 13:20

www.channel4.com/info/press/news/channel-4-appoints-sue-pascoe-as-advisor-on-inclusion-x

Sue Pascoe, who 4 years ago was Graham, and who said "that while a man, he was the embodiment of the all-action, red-bloodied alpha male."
Of course, by 2015, this evolved to "'It's funny, I'm 55, I am very hormonal, I am going through puberty again which means that I am just getting to my teenage girl years - so watch out world."

Perhaps those teenage girl years have been outgrown now that Pascoe is 58. Here's hoping.

I'm not convinced this will result in a better proportion of those of us who are female being represented though.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163747/Master-Hunt-woman-age-54-marks-day-man-going-bowling-enjoying-burger-sons.html

Wouldn't it be nice if some of the recent 'inclusivity' appointments actually included women? By which I mean, the old fashioned ACTUALLY underrepresented, female type human.

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R0wantrees · 30/09/2018 15:41

Sue Pascoe (Channel 4 'Inclusion Consultant) and Conseervative Party potential candidate.

3/9/18 Leeds, Yorkshire Post article:
'Channel 4 adviser believes Leeds can become UK’s most inclusive city'
(extract)
"POLITICAL and business leaders can help to deliver vast economic benefits by collaborating to turn Leeds into the UK’s most inclusive city, according to an adviser for Channel 4. Sue Pascoe said that implementing policies to support a workplace meritocracy would help to unlock commercial and strategic benefits.

Ms Pascoe, who is working with Channel 4 to increase its inclusivity culture, added: “In our drive to see our standards of living increase, we’ve forgotten that it’s standard of life that sustains us and our diverse interlocking communities.”

Ms Pascoe was one of the participants in a panel debate to consider issues surrounding inclusivity in the workplace which was held at Sky Betting & Gaming’s office in Wellington Place in Leeds. It marked the end of a month-long series of activities to celebrate inclusivity organised by businesses based in Wellington Place and MEPC, the site’s property investment and development firm.

The Pride of Place campaign helped to raise funds for Yorkshire MESMAC, which is one of the oldest sexual health organisations in the UK and Leeds LGBT+ Sports Fringe Festival." (continues)

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business/channel-4-adviser-believes-leeds-can-become-uk-s-most-inclusive-city-1-9332267

WPUK meeting venue cancellation discussed:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3378894-Leeds-WPUK-cancelled

Channel 4 appoints a new advisor on inclusion
gendercritter · 13/08/2018 19:51

How can anyone deny AGP exists? You can argue about its prevalence of course, but if it doesn’t exist, how do you account for the many twitter accounts and very active subreddits dedicated to exactly this fetish?

This!! It is everywhere. Put a blindfold on, have a wander over to Reddit and you will stub your toe on AGP within 30 seconds on your arrival. It is everywhere. I have read some things that have made my eyes pop out of their sockets after the quickest search

R0wantrees · 13/08/2018 19:25

From Twitter thread by Alfred Belpaire includes Channel 4 & BBC collaboration:

"Thread on how the BBC has played a crucial role in pushing transgenderism in the past five years, especially on children.

(extract)
"Video of All About Trans held Trans Camp in Jan 2012 (funded by BBC).
One theme: "There is very little awareness of the existence of trans children. How do we change that?"
Susie Green of Mermaids was prominent."

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=190&v=LqbdvWOji-s

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1028807563880656896.html

TheGoddessFrigg · 12/08/2018 16:57

It's funny - but when they post WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY- I keep hearing 'Tomorrow Belongs To Me'....Hmm

MoltenLasagne · 12/08/2018 16:56

Whenever someone informs us we're on the wrong side of history, all I can imagine is the joy with which men have destroyed the history of women throughout the ages.

From stealing credit for achievements, writing women out of history books or rewriting them as prostitutes to discredit them and in certain cases destroying decades worths of monuments to try to obliterate the memory of female rulers. It's not a sign of being morally right, but of having the best resources - quite something from the most oppressed minority.

SlothSlothSloth · 12/08/2018 16:47

How can anyone deny AGP exists? You can argue about its prevalence of course, but if it doesn’t exist, how do you account for the many twitter accounts and very active subreddits dedicated to exactly this fetish? Of course it’s never openly identified as such, but surely posts about how you masturbate in women’s underwear, your fantasies about being forcibly feminised etc can ONLY be seen as AGP?

placemats · 12/08/2018 15:03

On the wrong side of logic more like.

Bowlofbabelfish · 12/08/2018 14:52

kooki do you believe humans can change sex?

Datun · 12/08/2018 14:50

KookiSpooki

Transvestite fetishism is in the DSM-V.

Plus perhaps you would like to read the accounts all the women on here who are married to men with AGP. Or divorced from them.

Or crack on with your own personal explanation that it doesn't exist, but women have it too.

TheGoddessFrigg · 12/08/2018 14:35

Kooki- I am also anti TransFascism.

hipsterfun · 12/08/2018 14:20

Anti trans fascism is poised on the brink overlooking the wrong side of history to be honest and almost all reasonable feminism accepts trans femininity as legit, so enjoy your tantrum in your echo chamber while people are still listening! (Just kidding, they aren't)!

It’s you in the echo chamber. You want to get out in the real world, matey.

iamawoman · 12/08/2018 14:14

Agp not ago

iamawoman · 12/08/2018 14:14

There are also a few people on Twitter who are quite open about being ago, are you denying their existence?

R0wantrees · 12/08/2018 13:26

You must be aware that AGP has been entirely debunked and exposed by the medical profession for what it really is: An egregious pseudo-diagnosis, used by anti trans fascist movements to discredit and hurt trans women

KookiSpooki
Have you read the book, "TRANS: Exploring Gender Identity and Gender Dysphoria:A guide for everyone including professionals"?
Published Feb 2018

Its edited by Dr Az Hakeem, a gender specialist who has also contributed a number of explanatory chapters.

There is a chapter describing and explaining autogynaephilia & autoandrophilia well as separate discussion about fetishistic transvestisism. Dr Hazeem acknowledges that the concept of autogyaephilia has been a 'controversial one' however your description of AGP being "entirely debunked and exposed by the medical profession" is clearly not the case based on this recent publication.

The rest of the book contains interesting chapters from people with a wide range of perspectives and backgrounds.

Some can be read open access preview:www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B079NHQ5H5/ref=rdr_kindle_ext_tmb?tag=mumsnetforum-21

Channel 4 appoints a new advisor on inclusion
Channel 4 appoints a new advisor on inclusion
Channel 4 appoints a new advisor on inclusion
WTFagain · 12/08/2018 13:07

*Kookie
*
You could try and tell that to the man in a shared house who 'borrowed' my entire wardrobe when his gf was away and he thought I wasn't due back for a few more days.

Or the many men who are quite upfront about being excited about wearing schoolgirls' knickers.

I guess men find this so hard to understand because no one seems to be stealing their underwear. There are some conclusions to draw there, somewhere.

Ereshkigal · 12/08/2018 13:05

LOL what a very special post. Kinkshaming, echo chamber, anti trans fascists, wrong side of history.

I don't think so dear.

ballsballsballs · 12/08/2018 13:02

I call Godwin.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 12/08/2018 12:58

When it comes to, um, interesting sexual interests (voyeurism, flashing, dressing up in paraphernalia (whether it's in someone elses underwear or an inflatable gimp suit) men really do seem to have cornered the market.

Saying "women do it too and stop kink shaming" is a hopeless excuse TBH.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 12/08/2018 12:55

I have yet to hear a story of a woman stealing her son's / underwear for the purpose of putting it on and masturbating. While not ruling out the possibility it has ever happened, I don't identify it as a fairly common "thing".

I also have not heard stories about women putting on "men's clothes" and then masturbating in public, often at women /girls.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 12/08/2018 12:54

"You must be aware that AGP has been entirely debunked "

And then you go on to say

"What's this, "only trans women have fetishes" guff, also?"

Sooooo

For some men is there is link between donning women's clothes (esp underwear) and getting a stiffie, or not?

You seem to contradict yourself.

FWIW we all know that there are plenty of men who like to put on "women's" clothes and have a wank, it's in the news every other day. Often because of stealing underwear, sometimes because prominent transwomen talk about it, sometimes due to "men in women's clothes" masturbating around the place.

TerfsUp · 12/08/2018 12:42

You must be aware that AGP has been entirely debunked and exposed by the medical profession for what it really is: An egregious pseudo-diagnosis, used by anti trans fascist movements to discredit and hurt trans women, (apparently trans men are OK according to trans exclusive radical feminists, as long as they prostrate and emasculate themselves)!

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KookiSpooki · 12/08/2018 12:39

You must be aware that AGP has been entirely debunked and exposed by the medical profession for what it really is: An egregious pseudo-diagnosis, used by anti trans fascist movements to discredit and hurt trans women, (apparently trans men are OK according to trans exclusive radical feminists, as long as they prostrate and emasculate themselves)!
Also... What's this, "only trans women have fetishes" guff, also? Perlease..... Most of the women I know whether trans or cisgender; binary or not; gender conforming or otherwise; they all have their kinks. Well done if you're saying you're not kinky! Really, what do you want? A sweetie?
Anti trans fascism is poised on the brink overlooking the wrong side of history to be honest and almost all reasonable feminism accepts trans femininity as legit, so enjoy your tantrum in your echo chamber while people are still listening! (Just kidding, they aren't)!

NothingOnTellyAgain · 12/08/2018 12:17

It lines up with that other person who said their advice to schoolkids was "get tits young and suck cock" I think it was.

My DD started "getting tits" at 8.5, how much cock do they think she should be sucking now she is 10?

These people need to be a bit more fucking circumspect in what they say.

But they won't because it all seems to be about sex, for some reason.

Undercoverswede · 12/08/2018 11:45

NothingonTelly

According to the stats of how often people imagine teenagers have sex, it is painfully clear that both men and women have overheated ideas of how often. Both men and women triple or even quadruple the actual average for boys, but while women imagine that girls have triple or quadruple the amount of sex they actually do have, men multiply it by six in their fevered minds. And as men are apparently easy with the same sleight of hand when conflating their imaginings of 'puberty' and 'sexually overactive teenage hottie' (wonder where they could have got that idea), it seems quite clear what is implied.

One could of course ask if the timing of such 'transformations' suggest any similarity with sudden urges to buy a motorcycle, change their hairstyle to 'something younger' and perhaps follow through on that theme in the personal relationships department, but that would be churlish.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 12/08/2018 11:04

Actually another point.

My DD has been through puberty (ie her periods have started which I think is most people's understanding) she is not at secondary school yet. Things started aged 8.5 periods came at just turned 10. This isn't unusual and even decades ago - I started at 12.

This "watch out world" what on earth does it mean? And bearing in mind girls do not go through puberty when they are grown up. Puberty is what makes them grow up.

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