Drag queens aren't transgender....

There was no argument/debate.

I actually wanted to see how TA’s would conduct themselves against the queens

Sorry to get you all excited with an inaccurate description.

However, if you love drag queens being all sorts of bitchy about trans craziness then Vanity Von Glow is a good read on Twitter.

No, sorry. Not so much an argument as a load of drag queens bitching about the trans cult. I follow a few of them and it was pretty funny when they all started- never cross a drag queen.

Is that the wrong link, Susan?

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I didn’t see any argument there just lots of people agreeing

And Courtbey Act's message was eminently sensible. "Why can't we just wear what we feel like wearing?"

The bottom line is that I would object very strongly to an 11 year old girl performing in public in those clothes- so why would I find it acceptable for a boy?

It seems like drag queens are getting tired of being told how to talk about themselves by whiny gender cult kids.

Aren't we all?

There was a massive row on Twitter last week between a few drag queens and some transactivists.

mobile.twitter.com/DJLadyLloyd/status/1024712864811102210

It seems like drag queens are getting tired of being told how to talk about themselves by whiny gender cult kids.

"Misgendering" only seems to be an issue when the person concerned IDs as trans. Trans people are entitled to decide their own gender, and to decide everyone else's too. And then you have a media terrified of the flying monkeys of Twitter swarming them if they get it "wrong" so they err on the side of anyone even slightly GNC being trans.

Conchita Wurst is the stage persona of Thomas Neuwith - a gay singer. He is male, identifies as male. Dresses as Conchita Wurst to perform in drag (the clue's in the somewhat humorous name name wurst=sausage)

When his HIV status was revealed all the papers referred to "her" being HIv positive. no, I don't think "Conchita" contacted HIV any more than Lily Savage could. Everyone is so determined to get the pronouns right they actually decide when the person involved has got them wrong.

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The child beauty pagent circuit is worth multimillions. Perhaps dragging boys into it as sexualised girls is just another way to "diversify the product", if you'll pardon the expression.

It's definitely not appropriate for a kid to be doing drag on TV, in clubs, etc. Kids playing dress-up in their own homes is fine. Given that the mother's first thought was that the kid wanted to "become" a girl I'm not surprised things are going this way, and I think the main focus here should be how she came to that conclusion rather than just thinking that she had a kid who liked playing dress-up, which is what would have happened 10 years ago.

The whole industry of children on reality TV etc performing in sexualized costumers for the entertainment of adults is grotesque (and I mean the beauty contest kids too, and the ones who do dance).

None of that stuff is appropriate for under 16s. Apart from fun wigs. They're ok. But I'd be horrified if my 12 year old girl wanted to wear a drag type outfit with the heels and slap. It's not age appropriate for boys or girls

Good to hear placemat 😂

Quite never wear make up and stilletoes !!

High heels, heavy make up, fake tits

Is there anything NOT sexual about that?

I wouldn't call it particularly 'sexualised' clothing Cantankerous. Flamboyant yes, not something that would be concerning or provocative of girls the same age except maybe the high heels. Hes still a kid and is exploring.

Chollo, no, I don't think it's appropriate for kids at all. But unfortunately that's what happens to this kind of thing when it becomes mainstream and loses its context. It's a marketable product and kids are a growth market, quite literally.

Oh good the thread has stopped being a fawn fest over the sexualised child.

I accept men in whatever clothing they like.

I accept a man saying he has transitioned out of his gender stereotypes

I do NOT accept that that man has transitioned into the opposite sex.

totally right drag is not transgender it is a art form anyone can do it and I have seen many different examples of non binary and woman also creating a persona, also some trans woman do it too. I know drag purists would be up in arms about others appropriating this art form but I think it can be a liberating form of expression for people.

Conchita Wurst is the stage persona of Thomas Neuwith - a gay singer. He is male, identifies as male. Dresses as Conchita Wurst to perform in drag (the clue's in the somewhat humorous name name wurst=sausage)

Thomas has been absolutely clear, repeatedly, that he is a gay man who works as a drag queen and has no intent to transition. I am not at all impressed with people trying to appropriate his hard work. As the character of Conchita (for whom "she" pronouns are used), she has an absolutely cracking voice.

By contrast Dana International is fully transitioned. I don't see why people can't handle both these realities.