Goat dies after violent attack by men **Title edited by MNHQ - distressing article in OP post**

Until I saw the film Hidden Figures I did not realize that NASA and other organizations called the women who did the calculations for them "computers".
So basically computers were named after women.

10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

Radia Perlman's major contribution to Computing Science, the Spanning Tree Protocol, was on my degree syllabus. The first ever programmers of an electronic computer, the ENIAC Sixq, were all women maths graduates. Grace Hopper chaired the committee that designed Cobol, although whether Cobol was a good development is debatable. I'm a database application developer and I do actually know something about the history of computing without having to search, and there's at least one female Linux/Unix admin on this board. We are proof that women can be technically-minded.

Women are involved in building railways right now, as civil engineers, surveyors, geologists, and track workers. I saw a woman fixing points as part of a track maintenance crew just a couple of weeks ago. So yes, women would have been involved in building the Union Pacific (and the East and West Coast Mainlines, and the Settle-Carlisle), had they been allowed to.

Toot tu do toot! (played on a small cornet)

They arrive!

I imagine them pretending to steady up imaginary horses while clacking coconut shells like Monty Python's The Holy Grail.

I was talking about the fact that whenever somebody mentions that men are at much higher risk of assault, somebody always says "but it's other men doing the attacking". My point is that it likely isn't much of a consolation to the guy that got assaulted or to the vast majority of non-violent males who comprise the majority of victims of the violent minority's violent acts

I still don't get your point. Who has suggested that as a consolation? Why on earth would it be a consolation?

The statement about men being at greater risk of violence than women always gets trotted out. Whilst true I have no idea what it is supposed to prove or what point there is in this sort of discussion beyond reinforcing the point about male violence. Men are at risk of violence from other men.

Again, for those following along at home, this all started with a thread about a group of men raping and killing a goat. Which apparently needed the attention of the Men's Reputation Defence Squad.

Spitting their dummies out, wailing and soiling themselves.

But but but it makes them sad when women don't pay attention to them! You're so mean!

If we keep poking do you think they'll throw their toys out of the pram in an entertaining way?

Upton, I do not think the MNHQ is going to allow that much goady fuckery even from you.

Look MRAs.

I know you crave mother's milk and this site is called Mumsnet, but you are big boys and no one here is going to offer you their breast no matter how much you pester.

That doesn't change the fact that men came up with pretty much all of the good stuff.

Really? I shall drink to the ridiculousness of that statement with a nice glass of beer, (women).

This is an utterly facile statement. The very concept of "human rights" exist because men made them up.

FYI, I am still chortling over your utterly facile response to what you declare an utterly facile statement.

Might not know much about c++, maybe we’re a bit more BASIC

(A cheesy computing joke as basic code was created by a woman. Also no one harping on about men’s supremacy c in 2018 on a thread about horrific animal torture has either a sense of humour or understanding of appropriate context).

This is an utterly facile statement. The very concept of "human rights" exist because men made them up.

I meant to go on and say, that's really the point.

Your good old early humans weren't sitting around the fire scratching their fleas when some bright spark piped up with, "what we need here my lads, is a system of laws and processes which balance the rights of the accused against the rights of the public to see justice done and ensure public safety and order."

But when some cave-dweller pinched his neighbour's pointy stick, the only options were violent retribution and counter-offensive or some form of organised justice.

This of course, also elides the fact that while the justice system is probably better than free-for-all retribution, if you're in charge of making the laws, you can make them to your own benefit, to protect your own privilege and possessions. That occurred to Mr Caveman very early on - being in charge of the whole system is a huge advantage.

You can make laws to start wars, dispossess entire populations, own other countries, even own people.

Men, particularly wealthy men, have benefited enormously from the system they created. Everyone else has had to fight tooth and nail to change the laws to include them, Married Women's Property Act, for example.

The justice system wasn't developed by enlightened human rights warriors to benefit the poor and downtrodden - its whole point was the protection of material possessions. And material possessions, by and large, accrued to men.

It is a testament to some men of property and the tenaciousness of those outsiders, that the systems we have work as well as they do. And it is evident that the system still disadvantages many.

True. RIP Jobbie

Still doesn't deserve to have his specs stolen after he died, though.

Steve Jobs was a big bullshitter - constantly claiming credit for others' work.

Sleep well! You know the angry men will still be here when you wake up, should you feel the need to point and laugh again.

Indeed, if one was looking to invest that might be a good suggestion. Hand cream too.

Yep. Top investment tips here, wimz.

Yanno steve, ole Abe said Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

Im off to bed, not ignoring any replies

Night all

Yes

And those people making those comments KNOW that its not all men

They are talking about men in general

I know this because not one of those people has said

'Every man on the planet is like this'

Or 'all men do this'

They use the words 'some' or so many' instead of ALL

People also say...im ashamed to be a woman...or im ashamed to be white...or im ashamed of....whatever

So women should basically shut up and put up and be eternally grateful to men? Is that it?

7th rule of misogyny: Women should always be grateful to men for everything.